Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Thrugelmir

always_sunny wrote: »

It might be on purpose, London proved to be a single point of failure.
The EU would be mad to repeat the same mistake.

Didn't realise that the European banking system was immune. After all it was a French bank that triggered matters in Europe in 2007.

Thrugelmir

always_sunny wrote: »

Will there be a bill? Yes.
Is it for the divorce? No, it's to settle commitments already agreed.

I've previously provided you with a definition in my post.

€60 billion is one heck of a lot of commitments. Given our existing net contribution is under €10 a year.

fatbeetle

always_sunny wrote: »

In the UK there is a lot of hatred towards the EU and many seem to have lost most rationality and believe that they act like cowboys in the far west.

A bit of projection there. Your own lack of rationality, and your hate of the UK, has been the predominant feature of your posts here.

vivatifosi

always_sunny wrote: »

It might be on purpose, London proved to be a single point of failure.

Your evidence for that being?

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

Which of the UK suggestions on the Irish border do you think could actually work?

The entire leave campaign and negotiating position has been cherry picking.

Why would they not work? The EU lacks the ability to use the imagination that it demands from us. The negativity of the EU is only exceeded by its cheerleaders in the UK. Anything is possible if both sides are prepared to try but the EU give the clear impression that they are not.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

Why would they not work?

Because they'll produce an inconvenience for people that should have free movement whilst leaving the border we care about wide open.

Since you're so adamant we're not being open minded enough, enlighten me.

It's very much up to the UK to convince the EU that their suggestions have merit, rather than accuse the EU of not being on board.

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

The EU's position regarding the so called Brexit bill can be summed up as follows:

Barmier - we want your money
Davis - how much?
Barmier - You tell us.

Your post makes absolutely no sense at all. Of course, if the EU would be so kind as to present a detailed summary of what they think we should pay instead of a number written on a fag packet then we should seriously consider it. As it happens, they haven't and until they do, there is no point in engaging them in this charade.

The bill should be considered in isolation and not linked to any other aspect of the negotiations.

Cogito, thanks for the new thread.

Have you forgotten that the EU did offer a detailed summary (way back in June) of what should be paid. Item by item for Britain to dispute and/or argue about.
You will find it here
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publications/position-paper-essential-principles-financial-settlement_en

As I understand Britain have not attempted to engage the EU on this paper apart from "Go Whistle"

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

Meanwhile, I'm hearing that the meeting between the two most hated men in European politics, Blair and Juncker will finish on Thursday with a press conference which has been booked in a larger room than the press conference to be held by Davis and Barmier. Someone trying to make a none too subtle point. I'm also hearing that Blair will be offered an EU commisssion post with a brief to reform and modernise the union.

Keep it up, Tone. Every time you stick your head above the parapet, more remainers move to the leave camp.

I will except your comments about the size of room as fact as it is logical.
You have fallen into the trap that the worlds press (therefore their readers) are as interested in the Brit/EU negotiations as they are when a Politician representing one of the largest trading blocks on the planet and one ex politician hated or admired more than most meet and then hold a press conference.

We/I may be consider Britain leaving the EU one of the most important decisions in our lifetimes but the world does not.

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

I very much doubt it. The Poles and other eastern European states have been promised lots of money by the EU which they won't now get. The Germans and other net contributors have said that they won't increase their payments. There's a nasty row brewing.

Even if a nasty row is brewing how does that help Britain? If Britain will not engage about the financial settlement then sufficient progress will not be made to move on to trade.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Who says that they don't want to do them?

Why are Brits too expensive to employ?

Unemployment is still unemployment. Perhaps the squeeze on benefits will encourage people to contribute more. Rather than simply take.

All these business operations existed before the influx of cheap Eastern labour. What's changed?

Why isn't it possible for UK companies to employ seasonable labour from abroad?

I am with you in wanting to encourage Brits to take the jobs but sometimes the practicalitys get in the way. Britain has effectively full employment. The strawberry pickers/sorter jobs are in the middle of knowhere with no transport.
Yes the Government can organise but in the meantime not only are the workers returning home but some of the jobs are going too. In addition if you have no staff you might go out of business very quickly.

In fact all this low wage industry is Dynamic it might not have existed without the flow of cheap labour and once that flow is reduced or cut off the industry's will disappear or change into something else.