Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

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cogito wrote: »

If the EU is looking to resolve issues, why does it reject every UK suggestion as unrealistic or fantasy? The answer is that Barmier has no brief to depart from the EU's position papers. Why else would they insist that the ECJ continus to have jurisdiction over the UK. The EU is behaving with obduracy whereas the UK is showing flexibility.

You keep saying this.

Do you really think the EU don't have a negotiating strategy other than absolute non-deviation from position papers?

What that implies is that when agreements are reached the UK will have complied with 100% of the EU's demands.

Even I don't think Davis is going to get that much of a spanking.

always_sunny

cogito wrote: »

If the EU is looking to resolve issues, why does it reject every UK suggestion as unrealistic or fantasy? The answer is that Barmier has no brief to depart from the EU's position papers. Why else would they insist that the ECJ continus to have jurisdiction over the UK. The EU is behaving with obduracy whereas the UK is showing flexibility.

You really need to take off your rose tinted specs.

Yes yes, the UK is always right, the EU is always the evil one.
Maybe what the UK wants is unrealistic. Maybe cause as the UK has been told over and over, the best deal was inside the EU.
You keep going on the same issues and you keep getting the same answers.
Maybe it is British style negotiation, perhaps you will have better chances with the USA or the rest of the world. Do go try.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

cogito wrote: »

If the EU is looking to resolve issues, why does it reject every UK suggestion as unrealistic or fantasy?. .

Because the UK positions so far have been unrealistic and fantasy.

Everybody except the most delusional of Brexiteers knew long ago that there can be no cherry picking of EU benefits - you're either in the single market or out - you either are in the customs union or out.

We already have the best deal possible for trading with the EU - that's what membership of the club gives us - there was no way we would keep those benefits or anything close to them while refusing to abide by the club rules or pay our share of the club fees.:rotfl:

vivatifosi

mayonnaise wrote: »

The good news from the Eurozone keeps pouring in...

Eurozone economy grew at double the rate of the UK in second quarter of 2017.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-economy-growth-q2-2017-half-eurozone-eu-europe-second-quarter-a7909706.html

The move of banking jobs is interesting, as they are going to different cities. As much as Germany would like jobs to go there, it isn't a financial powerhouse in the same way as London or New York, nor does it have the vacant office space to capitalise:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/bnp-paribas-real-estate-frankfurt-brexit-office-2017-7

Further, if some jobs go to Paris, Amsterdam, Dublin, etc, then no one city overall stands to take London's crown. So even if diminished, it retains the greatest critical mass.

Tromking

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Because the UK positions so far have been unrealistic and fantasy.

Everybody except the most delusional of Brexiteers knew long ago that there can be no cherry picking of EU benefits - you're either in the single market or out - you either are in the customs union or out.

We already have the best deal possible for trading with the EU - that's what membership of the club gives us - there was no way we would keep those benefits or anything close to them while refusing to abide by the club rules or pay our share of the club fees.:rotfl:

Which is why the UK will eventually realise that there is no negotiation to be had and either walk away without a deal done or beg to be let back in on a probably worse deal. If it's the latter then the EU will then have to decide whether to totally humiliate the UK or to partially do so by not making the UK's re-entry too problematic for our homegrown politicians to sell to a still euro sceptic British public.
Blair's intervention is interesting, when he says there are voices in the EU who would welcome us back, then he clearly has the ear of the big players at the top of the EU and perhaps he sees himself and maybe the EU do as well, as a conduit for the compromise (fudge!) on Brexit that's coming. I'm more convinced than ever, that we ain't leaving the EU.

Thrugelmir

always_sunny wrote: »

Because there is no divorce bill but a bill for what the UK agreed to contribute prior to Brexit.

That is not correct.

The divorce bill settlement is a separate issue from any continuing contributions. The European Commission expects the UK will pay an exit bill when it leaves the EU. In its recently published negotiating mandate, the Commission outlined that an “orderly withdrawal…requires settling the financial obligations” and that “the methodology for the financial settlement…has to be established in the first phase of the negotiations”. Therefore, the principles of the divorce bill must be settled before further negotiations can begin on the UK-EU future relationship.

cogito

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Because the UK positions so far have been unrealistic and fantasy.

Everybody except the most delusional of Brexiteers knew long ago that there can be no cherry picking of EU benefits - you're either in the single market or out - you either are in the customs union or out.

We already have the best deal possible for trading with the EU - that's what membership of the club gives us - there was no way we would keep those benefits or anything close to them while refusing to abide by the club rules or pay our share of the club fees.:rotfl:

Not so. The UK have offered imaginative suggestions to resolve the Irish border situation but the EU are not interested. You have to ask why if they are serious about negotiations.

Of course there can be no cherry picking. Only the most delusional remainers can think that that is what brexiteers expect.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

Not so. The UK have offered imaginative suggestions to resolve the Irish border situation but the EU are not interested. You have to ask why if they are serious about negotiations.

Which of the UK suggestions on the Irish border do you think could actually work?

course there can be no cherry picking. Only the most delusional remainers can think that that is what brexiteers expect.

The entire leave campaign and negotiating position has been cherry picking.

always_sunny

Thrugelmir wrote: »

That is not correct.

Show me an official statement from the European Union calling a Brexit divorce bill.
You may find it's just another construct by tabloid to spin Brexit.

Will there be a bill? Yes.
Is it for the divorce? No, it's to settle commitments already agreed.

In the UK there is a lot of hatred towards the EU and many seem to have lost most rationality and believe that they act like cowboys in the far west.

always_sunny

vivatifosi wrote: »

Further, if some jobs go to Paris, Amsterdam, Dublin, etc, then no one city overall stands to take London's crown. So even if diminished, it retains the greatest critical mass.

It might be on purpose, London proved to be a single point of failure.
The EU would be mad to repeat the same mistake.