Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

kabayiri

Brexit has to work, purely because the notion that we can return to some kind of relationship with the EU akin to pre-Jun-2016 is complete bunkum.

The EU core would not trust us in a month of Sundays.We have ably and publicly demonstrated as a nation that we are not committed to the EU project.

I think this is actually a good thing. The EU should be an evolving entity, gaining and losing elements as the situation demands. There is no guarantee that the Visegraad countries will embrace true FOM as their economies rise to match their richer neighbours. Under an evolving EU they too would leave if needed.

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

It is certainly far safer than it would be in the hands of Eurocrats or blinkered pro-EU advocates.

You (and others of your ilk) will not like this - if for no other reason than because it comes from Brexitcentral.
But rather than decry the source, let's see if there can be cogent debate without derisive vitriol regarding the contents.
Should I not hold my breath?


http://brexitcentral.com/uk-economy-growing-will-faster-brexit-even-event-no-deal/

Why would anyone take you seriously when you post links to a site that states it's goal is to" help promote the positive vision of Britain after Brexit." That's like saying look at this article about Nazism written by Hitler... But don't reject just because it was written by Hitler.

Get a grip man. It's a highly spun opinion piece by a supporter of brexit on a pro brexit website. Not much to debate. Maybe you would like to make a coherent argument based on facts rather than posting links to spin.

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

Brexit has to work, purely because the notion that we can return to some kind of relationship with the EU akin to pre-Jun-2016 is complete bunkum.

The EU core would not trust us in a month of Sundays.We have ably and publicly demonstrated as a nation that we are not committed to the EU project.

You're right here; we can't go back so we need to find a way to make it work.

I think this is actually a good thing. The EU should be an evolving entity, gaining and losing elements as the situation demands. There is no guarantee that the Visegraad countries will embrace true FOM as their economies rise to match their richer neighbours. Under an evolving EU they too would leave if needed.

I think the eu is evolving and will evolve much faster now that we're not holding them back. Give it a decade or 2 and the eu will be glad that we left.

GreatApe

Arklight wrote: »

Yes, stupid nationalised trains that run on time and don't cost very much. The system we have is much better, apart from being the costliest and most unreliable major railway in the developed world. Still at least the shareholders make a killing every year of off commuter misery, which is all that private companies are meant to do anyway, and is in no way political.

Your idea about universities is so barmy I barely know where to start.

How in God's name is someone meant to study Physics at Oxford from their parents house for £2000, with no access to the hundreds and millions of pounds of lab equipment, super computers, particle accelerators and other infrastructure needed for that discipline?

Still, after you've spent 30 years closing all the other universities I suppose they'll have no choice.

The future of Britain is safe with Brexit voters.

I don't recall ever using a particle accelerator or super computer for my physics degree nor lab equipment worth hundreds of millions. Maybe the most expensive thing was an x-ray scattering machine. Not super expensive and maybe just a couple of hours worth. Wasn't necessary really. Also a physics degree is 90% mathematics you can get a first even if you get 0% on your lab work.

A lot of my friends who studied physics alongside me skipped virtually all lectures and tutorials and most got 1sts. I recall I got 100% on a math paper at university and all I did was play computer games and power through the book about 3 weeks before the exam. Getting 100% is much harder than getting 90% it really means you understand your stuff.

The silly idea is why anyone thinks going to lectures is efficient. I (and everyone else) can read a book much faster and process the information much faster than I can process a lecture which is more or less an old man reading a book (his own notes) to you. You just add a layer of neddless confusion with lectures. At most sometimes very rarely will you encounter something which you really don't understand despite reading the book over a few times and in that case you talk to your mates also doing the same thing and its solved in five minutes. And this was back in the days the internet was nothing like it is today today its surely much easier.

I also recall I did chemistry A-Levels in just two weeks typically it's a 2 year course. Iirc it took 10 days of 10 hours a day study split into 5 x 2h blocks. And I don't consider myself anything special.


As for nationalised trains the argument will die in the not too distant future. The capatilist Yanks will solve self drive AI and that will eat into a lot of the trains passenger numbers maybe even making a lot of them obsolete and needless.


We wouldn't close all the universities we would keep about 10. We could redeploy all those people at the other 90 or so universities into more productive fields eg cut £20 billion from education and spend £20 billion more on hathcare

And I voted to stay in the EU but am now reasonably optimistic things will be ok

kabayiri

I used to have a particle accelerator at Uni.

It was called a CRT

Nowadays, all the students have lcd displays.

...I blame the parents.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

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I think the eu is evolving and will evolve much faster now that we're not holding them back. Give it a decade or 2 and the eu will be glad that we left.

Wait until there's a serious scrap between an Orban-type and the EU politicos.

They will wish they were still negotiating with David Davis.

I see plenty of infighting to get through before this glorious future you hint at for the EU. Migration and refugees could easily kill the plan.

posh*spice

Watching Euronews-

" French Wine Producers in Brexit Limbo. Fears mount over future trade with UK"

They are not happy....


....because it's not like we can't get wine from anywhere else...

CKhalvashi

Arklight wrote: »

Yes, stupid nationalised trains that run on time and don't cost very much. The system we have is much better, apart from being the costliest and most unreliable major railway in the developed world. Still at least the shareholders make a killing every year of off commuter misery, which is all that private companies are meant to do anyway, and is in no way political.

I have gone full Tory this morning with my desire to privatise things that are run inefficiently, don't do what they're supposed to and can't keep their management for 5 minutes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-oliver-robbins-quits-department-permanent-secretary-eu-talks-theresa-may-david-davis-boris-a7952756.html

Yes, maybe we should privatise DExEU, remove all government subsidies and intervention from it and therefore it will be forced to be run more effectively in the national interest.

What was I told be a Brexiteer? Oh, yes, privatising something cuts the waste and makes it more effective, therefore it'll be better for it.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

posh*spice wrote: »

Watching Euronews-

" French Wine Producers in Brexit Limbo. Fears mount over future trade with UK"

They are not happy....


....because it's not like we can't get wine from anywhere else...

But ............. but ................... but ................... we the UK are the weak petitioners.
That is what we keep being told.
Never mind that pork & butter can come from places other than Denmark; plants and veg. are grown globally and not just in the Netherlands; ditto fruit & veg the same with Spain; quality cars are made outside Germany too; etc. etc. etc.

Senior Eurocrats may think they can continue in their obstinacy but just wait until citizens of EU countries realise that they face the real risk of hardship as a result.

System

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Never mind that pork & butter can come from places other than Denmark; plants and veg. are grown globally and not just in the Netherlands; ditto fruit & veg the same with Spain; quality cars are made outside Germany too; etc. etc. etc.

Pssst. We already know that - Brits buy French wine, Spanish tomatoes and German cars not because the 'Eurocrats' force us to but because the consumer chooses to.

If we leave without a deal it'll be up to the UK government to decide if they'll impose import tariffs on EU imports. They don't have a completely free hand (the faceless unelected technocrats at the WTO impose certain restrictions ).

Don't worry about buying stuff - there will always be a queue of people wanting to flog us stuff. It's the selling you need to worry about.