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Quick gender discrimination question

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  • bugslet
    bugslet Posts: 6,874 Forumite
    Malthusian wrote: »
    Men only clubs play "truth or dare" games, try on underwear in front of each other and play around with sex toys?

    I thought it was only the very specialised ones.

    I've lived a sheltered life, long may it continue!:p
  • Cheeseface
    Cheeseface Posts: 154 Forumite
    I think AS reps would be self employed as most MLM reps tend to be, so it's a moot point.
  • Guest101
    Guest101 Posts: 15,764 Forumite
    Malthusian wrote: »
    Men only clubs play "truth or dare" games, try on underwear in front of each other and play around with sex toys?

    I thought it was only the very specialised ones.
    I meant this:


    It is all in fun and for a bit of a giggle and certainly for any of the WOmen that I know, it would be the last place they would want to be

    I think that used to be the mentality
  • Guest101
    Guest101 Posts: 15,764 Forumite
    bugslet wrote: »
    You wouldn't mention that the plumber is female because that isn't pertinent to doing plumbing work; anything of a sexual nature is pertinent where the customer group is almost certain to be one gender presupposes that the hired entertainer will be of a certain gender ( which depends on the exact service provided). - So only if it's sexual? I mean surely we are at a stage socially where both genders are fairly well informed on the sex and so forth. Presumably there's no actual contact (I wouldn't know) - so I don't see the issue.

    Aren't the women at the AS party hiring a service, they aren't employing the party giver. - Indeed. But this wasn't an advert for a party, but a job advertisement

    Entirely personal take on it, I really don't care if it does specify women only; then again I think there's nothing wrong for specifying men only for my job - get a bit tired of tiptoing round niceties sometimes.



    I tend to agree. Hence why I was curious why this was allowed in today's culture.
  • Guest101
    Guest101 Posts: 15,764 Forumite
    jondav wrote: »
    Please don't alter my posts like that when quoting - the way you have edited it bears no resemblance to what I was trying to say.
    What? Ok excuse you.


    1: I can do as I wish.
    2: I wasn't 'editing' your point, I was clarifying what I was saying. Hence the capitals and the red font.
    3: I didn't claim you said it!
  • Malthusian
    Malthusian Posts: 11,055 Forumite
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    Guest101 wrote: »
    I meant this:

    It is all in fun and for a bit of a giggle and certainly for any of the WOmen that I know, it would be the last place they would want to be

    I think that used to be the mentality

    I am forgetting what the original point was. Men only clubs such as the Garrick still exist and are perfectly legal.
  • haras_nosirrah
    haras_nosirrah Posts: 2,208 Forumite
    edited 20 July 2017 at 1:55PM
    reminds me of a lenny henry sketch but his was a racial joke. Lenny Henry goes to an audition of Annie and starts the audition for the role of 'Annie'. They stop him and say 'I don't think the part if for you', he goes 'it's because I am black isn't it' and starts going on about rights. Opening night of the show and a 6ft black man walks onto the stage in a red dress with an orange wig singing 'the sun will come out tomorrow' - my point being is that some jobs cannot be done by both sexes. Men cannot host Anne Summers parties, women cannot be chippendales. There are not many jobs where only one gender can do it but sexual ones are probably the main ones.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cffCF7yTKpg - the link to the lenny henry clip
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  • Guest101
    Guest101 Posts: 15,764 Forumite
    jondav wrote: »
    LOL alright, alright, don't get your knickers in a twist!! :rotfl:

    All that I was trying to say was that even if a job advert of this kind were available to men aswell as women, I'm not sure that any man would want to go for it.....so what would be the point?

    I have no idea about the legalities of it at all, I was just giving my opinion on the question that you asked.

    My post was polite, so I don't need to be excused, but thank you anyway.


    And my point was that years gone by, many said the same thing of other professions or social spaces.


    I agree that the uptake was going to be low, I was curious as to why it was allowed, and that was answered early on.
  • Malthusian
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    I would have paid to see Lenny Henry playing the part of Annie and I would suggest I wouldn't be the only one. I saw a brilliant production of The Importance of Being Earnest where all the women characters were played by men and all the men by women. White people have played Othello for centuries. Why not?

    Give me a second while I work out what this has to do with the point of the thread... got it, it's that while plenty of us would watch Lenny Henry play Annie or a drag performance of Oscar Wilde, virtually no-one would attend an Ann Summers party hosted by a man and buy Ann Summers' products. The market beats politics every time.
  • haras_nosirrah
    haras_nosirrah Posts: 2,208 Forumite
    the point is that the 'joke' in these sketches is when he goes for unsuitable jobs and doesn't get them he tells them it is 'because he is black' therefore bringing out the race card and forcing them into giving him the job as he cites discrimination if he doesn't. It is not about a comedy performance of lenny henry playing the part of an 8 year old girl. It is about the histeria of racism or in the case of the anne summers party sexism if they don't get it even if the reason is because they are just not suitable. The same lenny henry sketch also sees him become a dentist for the day when the dentist calls in sick despite not being qualified and becomming a surrogate mother. The Importance of being earnest one was done deliberately where all the gender roles were swapped to make a statement. It wasn't that there was a casting free for all and anyone could apply for any role. You don't have an 80 year old man playing cecilly, a 12 year old girl playing the aunt with the handbag etc - they just cast the sexes the other way around but a bloke would not have been given a traditional blokes part in that play as he was only able to audition for the traditional girls parts
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