The Nice People Thread, No.16: A Universe of Niceness.

Pyxis

michaels wrote: »

Semantics of language get in the way, torture can be both always morally wrong and what needs to happen in some highly unusual circumstances.

....but it can't be 'always morally wrong' only some of the time! (I.e. with an occasional exception). If there's an exception, then the answer would be 'some of the time', however rare that 'some of the time' is.

zagubov

Pyxis wrote: »

....but it can't be 'always morally wrong' only some of the time! (I.e. with an occasional exception). If there's an exception, then the answer would be 'some of the time', however rare that 'some of the time' is.

Complicated, isn't it! :think:

PasturesNew

Speak to the parents .... see if they want "outsiders" cluttering up their "family get together", or if they actually want others to "make the numbers up".

If she's going to "the actual thing", then you need to do a project between now and then, so she understands what it's about - what will happen - and why.... and how long it'll go on for. No point going if you've no idea what it is and it's actually "boring if you're a kid, in a room of strangers, not having a clue what's going on - then - just when you think you might be fed - that's not what happens and you go home again".

So, find out how long, what's going on, if her presence is actually required or if sending an invitation was just a paper exercise not intended to be accepted.... and you can only really get that from the parent of the inviter.

michaels

Pyxis wrote: »

....but it can't be 'always morally wrong' only some of the time! (I.e. with an occasional exception). If there's an exception, then the answer would be 'some of the time', however rare that 'some of the time' is.

zagubov wrote: »

Complicated, isn't it! :think:

I think it might be semantics again, for me something can be both 'morally wrong' and 'socially necessary' and thus it is not inconsistent to find all torture morally wrong but also to agree to it in certain circumstances.

GDB2222 wrote: »

If that's the understanding ...

Confirm that with the batmitzvah girl's parents, perhaps?

In the end just went on what DD said, only one school friend is going to the service as he is also J, all others just going to the party and that all invitations covered both events.

michaels

Schools now look like (open) prisons


Pic form another story but basically for child protection (and I suspect anti-terror) reasons schools are all now enclosing themselves in high fences with electric gates at any remaining entrances. I find this sad as it seems to be cutting them off from the community

SingleSue

michaels wrote: »

Schools now look like (open) prisons


Pic form another story but basically for child protection (and I suspect anti-terror) reasons schools are all now enclosing themselves in high fences with electric gates at any remaining entrances. I find this sad as it seems to be cutting them off from the community

Needed that sort of thing to keep Josh in, he was an escapologist! I remember the school being so proud of their 'escape proof' fencing they put in...Josh was up and over it in about 10 seconds flat.

Saying that, looking at that picture, their fencing was very similar to that, amazing what a 5/6 year old can climb if enough weaknesses in the design are found by a different thinking to a normal 5/6 year old is around.

zagubov

michaels wrote: »

Semantics of language get in the way, torture can be both always morally wrong and what needs to happen in some highly unusual circumstances.

It's not just semantics. There are profoundly good reasons for basing our ethical stance on principles. But then you find lots of circumstances that challenge the rightness of the rules and tempt you to find exceptions.

It must be quite tough to live in a country that's a theocracy or has a rigid political ideology. On the other hand, England and most of Scandinavia have state religions and very decent positive places to live where sound moral principles are tempered with pragmatism.

Jazee

Have any NPs been watching The Good Place on Netflix? Really good, really funny, all about ethics and morals.

zagubov

Jazee wrote: »

Have any NPs been watching The Good Place on Netflix? Really good, really funny, all about ethics and morals.

Yep I'm a total fan of this. It covers ethical stuff really well. :T

CKhalvashi

michaels wrote: »

Schools now look like (open) prisons


Pic form another story but basically for child protection (and I suspect anti-terror) reasons schools are all now enclosing themselves in high fences with electric gates at any remaining entrances. I find this sad as it seems to be cutting them off from the community

I don’t believe it’s the best option for most kids though.

IMO CCTV cameras at entrances are more of a deterrent to most than anything else, and monitored from reception are likely a much cheaper alternative to the fencing with no additional long term costs.

Locking gates on entrances for caretakers again is usually the best solution. My school had this in the 90s and there were never any issues with this, in arguably more dangerous times. This was in a reasonably rough Northern city centre.