The Nice People Thread, No.16: A Universe of Niceness.

michaels

PasturesNew wrote: »

You might if those known to you were "a right shower".

When my parents moved 350 miles from their home town mum didn't even tell her siblings she'd moved... that was it. They'd not really spoken much for 20-25 years, just crossed paths at nan's on Boxing Day briefly .... and after her funeral that was it.

A right shabby shower they were - and still are.

An embarrassment .... from the perspective of anybody discovering you're related and has encountered them ... and anybody perusing a "list of felons you really don't wish to bump into".

A shower I tell you ....

And they have continued to perpetuate their low IQ and chaotic lifestyles down through their emerging generations

Your mum was Megan Markle and I claim my £5

Jackmydad

PasturesNew wrote: »

You don't have to meet anybody .... I've never met a single person on my tree that I didn't know already ..... not one. And nor do I expect to.

I just like to know where people disappeared to .... because people disappeared a lot back then.

No tree knows where everybody died... they just "disappear" - often because they moved and there are 30 people it "could be" but it'd cost you £10 per name on the list to buy a certificate to read it to see IF that was the same person.... so, of course, you don't do that. It's unimportant....

That's fair enough.
I know nothing about this DNA thing, but like the thing with all these family tree type things, are you sure that you're not paying to build them a database where they own all the info?

I know I'm a cynic! I'm as tight as an electron beam welded and x-ray tested crab's fundament as well!

LydiaJ

Not a fabulous pic of her, but gives you some idea.
I am feeling less convinced by "whippador" as a composite breed name, and am now veering towards "labradippet". For now, her screen name is "New Dog" and I'll pick a more interesting screen name once we have got to know her.

Masomnia

She's beautiful

Pyxis

LydiaJ wrote: »

I am feeling less convinced by "whippador" as a composite breed name, and am now veering towards "labradippet". For now, her screen name is "New Dog" and I'll pick a more interesting screen name once we have got to know her.

Well, it looks like she fetched all right!

I like 'labradippet'!

Pyxis

Jackmydad wrote: »

I know I'm a cynic! I'm as tight as an electron beam welded and x-ray tested crab's fundament as well!

Out of interest, how does one actually test the tightness of a crab's fundament with an x-ray?

hjd

Pyxis wrote: »

Out of interest, how does one actually test the tightness of a crab's fundament with an x-ray?

However you do it, I really don't feel the need to know..

PasturesNew

Jackmydad wrote: »

That's fair enough.
I know nothing about this DNA thing, but like the thing with all these family tree type things, are you sure that you're not paying to build them a database where they own all the info?

I know I'm a cynic! I'm as tight as an electron beam welded and x-ray tested crab's fundament as well!

Ultimately, people are now paying for all the certificates, DNA, etc - and storing all their findings online.... I have absolutely no doubt that in the future that effort will be sold as "complete family trees" available for newcomers to simply "download"... just how the adverts say "simply type in your name" .... and they'll have all the effort/work done over years and years by thousands of people to root out documents, work out who is who and where people went .... and I bet in 20-30 years' time that knowledge will be sold as packages.

I don't actually keep a tree online on those sites - I just have a simple/private tree online on another site that only I can see - and in that I just build my tree based on "guesses" and "must be" hunches..

I've not had DNA done - it's yet another expensive thing in the vast list of ways to spend your money with the hobby. If I were wealthier I'd have it done though .... because I'm from a "long line of b4st4rds" as I put it - and it could throw up some interesting facts and closures of "who was the father?"

As a hobby - it's a very expensive way to buy "nothing" You're paying £10-£30 for a sheet of paper that might, or might not, tell you something you already did know, or it might tell you nothing ... it all adds up.

I haven't got my mother's birth certificate, say. Why not? Because I know her name and DoB and I know there's no father's name on there and I know who her mother was.... so it's not worth £10 simply to possess it.

I don't have any death certificates. e.g. my gt-grandfather died. I know he died, where and what of. I know this because my "cousin" had actually bought it and told me what's on it - and so there's nothing new for me to discover there.

Going back a generation, my gt-gt-granny was living with a "lodger" during the years she had 2 illegitimate children (my gt-granny + sister). My "cousin" bought the lodger's death certificate (why???) - and from what she saw she's made the "leap" that he was "the daddy". My gt-granny was at the death of the lodger. "Cousin" thinks this is proof he's her father, else why would she be living with him and looking after him in his old age? But it's not as simple as that ... he MIGHT be the father of the 2nd illegitimate child, but was my gt-gt-granny already pregnant when she met him, so he's not the father of my gt-granny? No tellings, his name isn't on my gt-granny's birth certificate, nor her sister's.

DNA could get some closure on all that guessing ..... for a price. Buy all the certificates, the memberships, the DNA .... and all the rest and you can easily spend a fortune to have actually "got nothing to show for it".

I'm happy to end up with a little list of when/where events happened ... and make up my own little guesses about things... for free.

I've an uncle, born late into a marriage... mum said to me once "there was a sargeant who used to call round in the War" .... and I'd love to know if granny was "at it" too, with the sargeant, as my mum suggests was happening... and if my uncle's a half-b4st4rd. But I can't just ask him - in case he doesn't know that!

PasturesNew

Pyxis wrote: »

Shame you can't get a father's line if you're female (apart from autosomal). I understand why!.... it's still a shame. I don't have a brother who could do it, and all other direct male relatives are dead.

This is one of the downsides - you can't get everybody ... so there's also an understanding curve about doing the right test and being able to get anything interesting.

When it comes down to it, few people have the same blood-line/potential to be able to get answers... I have no brothers. My mother had no full-blood brothers and none of her siblings had the same father as her. And up the line of female knicker-droppers you go .... so, in short, it'd be difficult for me to get much meaningful from DNA probably as "I know who I know; who I don't know might be unreachable with DNA".

I'll wait until the future when it's cheaper and better etc ..... maybe there'll be a new test discovered ... or something ...

I know who my grandfather is as granny went to court for maintenance and he was named - well, I know who granny said it was and he/his family seemed to agree .... but you never know do you

My gt-gt-grandfather will be a mystery. Was he the lodger? Or just AN Other random village bloke? Who knows... not me. Gt-gt-granny had 8 children:
- 1 illegitimate child.
- 5 legitimate children with a husband, who then died.
- 2 illegitimate children, who might, or might not, have had the same fathers.

Pyxis

hjd wrote: »

However you do it, I really don't feel the need to know..

Ah, well, you see, I am curious!




I have to keep remembering what happened to that cat.