Net Daily Pay

novicemoneysaver

Firstly apologies if this is in the wrong section, I looked at all sections and couldn't find anywhere more appropriate, please move if not.

Secondly apologies if this is long winded

I am currently on jury service, my employer filled out my loss of earnings sheet, I'm convinced they have worked out my net daily rate incorrectly, as the money I have received so far from the courts isn't even close to my earnings.

I will try and give as much info as I can to assist the maths geniuses on here.

My basic gross monthly income without bonus, shift allowance etc is £1,562.75, I work 3 shifts on 3 shifts off and get paid 10 hours 45 minutes per shift taking unpaid lunch. I pay 4% pension contribution

could you please help me work out what my net daily pay

Many thanks in advance

Carl

This is my shift cycle

week 1 in Thursday,Friday, Saturday
Week 2 in Wednesday, Thursday Friday
Week 3 in Tuesday,Wednesday Thursday
Week 4 in Monday, Tuesday Wednesday
Week 5 in Sunday, Monday, Tuesday
Week 6 in Saturday, Sunday Monday

so as you can see its a 6 week rotation, my employers week runs Friday to Thursday rather than the week starting on a Monday

eskbanker

novicemoneysaver wrote: »

I am currently on jury service, my employer filled out my loss of earnings sheet, I'm convinced they have worked out my net daily rate incorrectly, as the money I have received so far from the courts isn't even close to my earnings.

Reimbursement of lost earnings while on jury service is capped at £64.95 for each day served for the first two weeks (rate doubles beyond that or is halved for less than 4 hours/day), see https://www.gov.uk/jury-service/what-you-can-claim

novicemoneysaver

eskbanker wrote: »

Reimbursement of lost earnings while on jury service is capped at £64.95 for each day served for the first two weeks (rate doubles beyond that or is halved for less than 4 hours/day), see

Thank you I am aware of this, I'm currently in week 6 of a trial, I just need to see if my employer has worked out my daily net pay correctly, when I spoke to HR, they were not very helpful, on my claims form they put I work 37.5 hours over 5 days and that is not correct, I'm on a 3 on 3 off rotation that run in 6 week cycles, in 6 weeks I work 21 days, where as somebody who worked Monday to Friday would work 30 days in 6 weeks, so therefore my daily net pay would be higher per day than somebody earning the same salary working Monday to Friday

Shakin_Steve

When on jury service, you will be getting your allowance daily, not for three days a week. As far as I can see, HR have averaged it out over a month, and I don't really see how they could do it differently.

Shakin_Steve

10.75hrs x 15 days=161.25hrs/ 30days=5.375hrs per day x 7 days=37.625 hrs a week.

novicemoneysaver

Shakin_Steve wrote: »

When on jury service, you will be getting your allowance daily, not for three days a week. As far as I can see, HR have averaged it out over a month, and I don't really see how they could do it differently.

Thanks for your reply.

When on jury service, you are compensated for travel and subsistence
For each day you attend. However you are only paid loss of earnings for each day you attend that is a day you work, if I attend on a rota'd day off, you do not receive payment for that day, the money paid from the courts is not an attendance allowance, you are only compensated for actual work days.

novicemoneysaver

Shakin_Steve wrote: »

10.75hrs x 15 days=161.25hrs/ 30days=5.375hrs per day x 7 days=37.625 hrs a week.

Thanks for your reply, however this does not answer my question, I am aware that I average over my 6 week cycle full time hours, you seem to be good with the numbers, if my gross monthly income without bonus and shift allowance is £1,562.75, could you work out taking tax, NI and 4% pension contributions away what my net daily rate would be per day.

Thanks once again

eskbanker

I'm conscious that none of us is directly answering the question you asked but surely you must have your net monthly income from payslips, etc, and if you multiply that by 12 and divide by the number of days you work in a year (half, less paid holidays?) then you should be able to derive the figure?

Alternatively there are various online calculators - Google 'net pay calculator' and try some of those....

novicemoneysaver

eskbanker wrote: »

I'm conscious that none of us is directly answering the question you asked but surely you must have your net monthly income from payslips, etc, and if you multiply that by 12 and divide by the number of days you work in a year (half, less paid holidays?) then you should be able to derive the figure?

Alternatively there are various online calculators - Google 'net pay calculator' and try some of those....

Once again I'm very grateful for your reply, I can work out my net monthly salary, but because I work shifts, some weeks I work 3 in 7 and some weeks I work 4 in 7, over a 6 week rotation I work 21 days, so not being great with numbers, if I based it on 4 of the 6 weeks it seems to fall way short of what I actually earn in a month, I have been paid by the court £757.64, that is 5 weeks payments including travel and subsistence. My normal basic wage is £1562.75, once you deduct Tax, NI, 4% pension contribution, and a salary sacrifice of £4.08, my net basic monthly income is £ 1,273, so as you can see 5 weeks money fall well short of a normal monthly basic wage with standard deductions.

eskbanker

But in your five weeks of jury service, you'll only be reimbursed for the days where this prevented you from working - in a five week period this would average out at 12.5 weekdays (assuming the court only sits Monday to Friday), as you'll work either two or three midweek days each week, which will average out to occur equally frequently, i.e. you'll work 2.5 weekdays per week on average.

In a normal month you'd presumably be paid for 15 days so five weeks of midweek-only unavailability will indeed be less than a normal month, and then the first ten days are reimbursed at the reduced rate as mentioned earlier.

Are you continuing to work your weekend shifts? If you are, then you'll presumably be paid for these by your employer over and above the court reimbursement for the lost earnings days?

Edit: a further thought, your net daily rate would appear to be circa £85 (£1273 / 15) but are you paid daily or hourly? You refer to your HR quoting 37.5 hours but your net hourly rate is more like £7.90 (£1273 / 161.25) - if, based on employer input, you're being reimbursed on a hourly basis by the court then this is likely to be to your detriment as the court day will usually be substantially shorter than your working shifts.

novicemoneysaver

eskbanker wrote: »

But in your five weeks of jury service, you'll only be reimbursed for the days where this prevented you from working - in a five week period this would average out at 12.5 weekdays (assuming the court only sits Monday to Friday), as you'll work either two or three midweek days each week, which will average out to occur equally frequently, i.e. you'll work 2.5 weekdays per week on average.

In a normal month you'd presumably be paid for 15 days so five weeks of midweek-only unavailability will indeed be less than a normal month, and then the first ten days are reimbursed at the reduced rate as mentioned earlier.

over a 6 week rotation I am paid 219.45 hours so dividing that by 6 = 36.575 hours per week average paid. I have 45 minutes lunch unpaid per day not included in the calculation and my basic annual salary before tax is £18,753
including lunch works out to be 40.25 hours per week on a 6 week average

Are you continuing to work your weekend shifts? If you are, then you'll presumably be paid for these by your employer over and above the court reimbursement for the lost earnings days?

Edit: a further thought, your net daily rate would appear to be circa £85 (£1273 / 15) but are you paid daily or hourly? You refer to your HR quoting 37.5 hours but your net hourly rate is more like £7.90 (£1273 / 161.25) - if, based on employer input, you're being reimbursed on a hourly basis by the court then this is likely to be to your detriment as the court day will usually be substantially shorter than your working shifts.

Hi again thank you very much for your input, I'm paid monthly wages but an annual salary, rather than an hourly rate, I would only receive an hourly rate if I worked overtime. my normal working hours on a 3 day week I am paid 3 x 10 hours 45 minute shifts in a 7 day period, on a 4 day week I am paid 4 x 10 hours 45 minute shifts in a 7 day period, but in reality because my employers week runs Friday to Thursday, any given three shifts could be first day in last day of current week and 2 days of new week, its ridiculously complicated and makes it impossible to work out, courts pay on a half day or full day basis depending on length of time there rather than an hourly basis, although as I am on a long trial, I am paid even if we do not sit like today we only sat 2.20 pm to 4.40pm but still paid the full day, and tomorrow we don't sit at all, we of course do not get paid travel and subsistence if we do not sit, but that is not relevant, as that is nothing to do with my employer, my issue is I believe my employer, has calculated my net daily rate as over 5 days from 7 rather than my salary based on the shifts I work, my employer has agreed to pay my Saturdays, and the courts have agreed to pay my Sundays. there is a lady on my jury who earns very similar to me and her employer has calculated her net daily rate £10 per day higher than mine, and she has been paid by the court over £400 more than my self, as I am not sitting tomorrow I will speak with my HR again see if I can make head or tail of it.

my average weekly hours including lunch over a 6 week rotation are 40.25 hours, without lunch is 36.575 hours