Tenants living in parents BTL house - rules

Guest101

izzybusy23 wrote: »

Hi


We have absolute scroat neighbours next door who we have put up with for 3 years now. Noisy (banging doors so much our internal wall vibrates, drilling at gone 10pm against my daughters adjoining wall when she has school, loud porno type sex) inconsiderate, disrespectful (parking across the front of our house effectively blocking our entrance/exit, parking in our parking bay), entitled to attitude who think because they live in the woman's dad's BTL house they don't have to abide by rules like other tenants do.


As you can imagine relations haven't been great with the neighbours the other side having had enough and have upped and moved this month to get away from them. Yesterday things nearly came to a head when her 2 bags of filthy dirty nappies which had been festering on the floor near her bin were dumped in to our bin as the bin men refused to take them. When my husband came home he noticed our bin still had some weight in it, opened it up to be met with a foul stench and noticed our bin was swarming in maggots! He promptly emptied the contents of it on to her parking space, knocked her door and told her to sort it out. In the meantime I texted her father and told him he had a chance to get it sorted before I contacted the environmental health dept. To be fair she did clean it up and apologise but it just feels so insincere. Her father eventually texted me back and basically blamed the bin men for putting the wrong bin outside her house (check the number on it first love) and my husband for emptying it on the ground and causing all the issues! He never even apologised about the fact that she had left two stinking bags of festering dirty nappies in 30 degree heat which was swarming with flies; he did not see anything wrong in her actions. We took photos of the bags being left by the bin the night before and of all the maggots and have also taken photos of inconsiderate parking (like leaving a 4 inch gap between theirs and my car for me to open my door in).


So as he is technically her landlord and from what I've read they still have to sign a tenancy agreement I want to know what rights we have to make sure he keeps his tenants from making themselves an absolute nuisance to other neighbours as he has shirked all responsibility for the past 3 years. I did ask him to let me know which Landlord Association he was a member of and details of it but he chose to not provide that. What I would like to know is how I found this out if he is not willing to provide it? And my understanding is that although he is letting it to family they still have to abide by the rules every other tenant has to?


Thanks for your help.

There re no tenant rules. Im shocked at your attitude (and theirs, but I cant tell them that)

aneary

Forget that your neighbour is renting, forget that her landlord is her father.

The issue is that she is a nightmare.

It may be hard due to what your husband did but go round and explain calmly that the noise at night (don't specify) is disrupting your daughters sleep they may not realise that the walls are thin. Explain that it's hard to get into the car when hers is parked badly is there a way to resolve this one reverses in, one drives in etc.

If this doesn't work call the council environmental health every time the noise is unacceptable late at night, start a diary off issues taking the emotion out eg loud banging of doors not loud banging of doors waking my daughter so she was tired at school. Make sure you include the time and date. Take pictures of the parking, rubbish etc.

Talk to the other neighbours they may also have issues and can help build your case.

Guest101

izzybusy23 wrote: »

So tenants don't have to make sure that they leave dirty stinking bin bags around that attract maggots no?! - no. being tenants has no impact on this. I can assure you that a tenancy agreement will say tenants are not to make a nuisance of themselves after being a tenant myself for many years. - There's no such thing as a legally mandatory tenancy agreement. I am sure if I was to make my neighbours life a misery my then landlord would have hauled me over hot coals and threatened with being evicted. - perhaps, but that's upto him or her Why should it be any different because she is family. She is still a tenant!


Helpful response.

Because a LL cannot tell tenants how to behave. it's as simple as that. The clauses you refer to are meaningless in a LL and tenant relationship.

Guest101

Hasbeen wrote: »

Landlords have responsibility and I believe can be fined for their tenants anti social behaviour "someone will be quick to correct this if not"

See Link
https://www.gov.uk/private-renting/antisocial-behaviour

in essence only if the local authority apply the conditions AND the tenant is convicted of anti social behaviour in respect of their neighbours.

tykesi

It's usually newbies who chuck their toys out when they don't get the answers they want to hear.

christabell

fairy_lights wrote: »

It's the civilised thing to do. Maybe suggest a sex swing to keep the noise away from the walls? :rotfl:

Once upon a time the people who wrote on this forum where civil. The above comment IMHO is insensitive and crass

silvercar

Download the deeds from Land Registry.

Find out who the lender is. Report to the lender that X is letting to a family member.

Either there is no consent to let and they have a residential mortgage, in which case the lender may take action or there is a BTL mortgage which usually has a clause preventing letting to family members.

Hope the lender takes action.

Wyndham

christabell wrote: »

I am disgusted by two comments on this thread. The above comment goes against the grain of this site.

I disagree - personally I think it's spot on for this site. Sometimes we need to not take ourselves too seriously.

BrassicWoman

christabell wrote: »

I am disgusted by two comments on this thread. The above comment goes against the grain of this site.

If you don't like it use the report button. Or the site feedback thread. But etiquette would be not to clog the thread with whinging.