Tenants living in parents BTL house - rules

izzybusy23

Hi


We have absolute scroat neighbours next door who we have put up with for 3 years now. Noisy (banging doors so much our internal wall vibrates, drilling at gone 10pm against my daughters adjoining wall when she has school, loud porno type sex) inconsiderate, disrespectful (parking across the front of our house effectively blocking our entrance/exit, parking in our parking bay), entitled to attitude who think because they live in the woman's dad's BTL house they don't have to abide by rules like other tenants do.


As you can imagine relations haven't been great with the neighbours the other side having had enough and have upped and moved this month to get away from them. Yesterday things nearly came to a head when her 2 bags of filthy dirty nappies which had been festering on the floor near her bin were dumped in to our bin as the bin men refused to take them. When my husband came home he noticed our bin still had some weight in it, opened it up to be met with a foul stench and noticed our bin was swarming in maggots! He promptly emptied the contents of it on to her parking space, knocked her door and told her to sort it out. In the meantime I texted her father and told him he had a chance to get it sorted before I contacted the environmental health dept. To be fair she did clean it up and apologise but it just feels so insincere. Her father eventually texted me back and basically blamed the bin men for putting the wrong bin outside her house (check the number on it first love) and my husband for emptying it on the ground and causing all the issues! He never even apologised about the fact that she had left two stinking bags of festering dirty nappies in 30 degree heat which was swarming with flies; he did not see anything wrong in her actions. We took photos of the bags being left by the bin the night before and of all the maggots and have also taken photos of inconsiderate parking (like leaving a 4 inch gap between theirs and my car for me to open my door in).


So as he is technically her landlord and from what I've read they still have to sign a tenancy agreement I want to know what rights we have to make sure he keeps his tenants from making themselves an absolute nuisance to other neighbours as he has shirked all responsibility for the past 3 years. I did ask him to let me know which Landlord Association he was a member of and details of it but he chose to not provide that. What I would like to know is how I found this out if he is not willing to provide it? And my understanding is that although he is letting it to family they still have to abide by the rules every other tenant has to?


Thanks for your help.

00ec25

izzybusy23 wrote: »

So as he is technically her landlord and from what I've read they still have to sign a tenancy agreement I want to know what rights we have to make sure he keeps his tenants from making themselves an absolute nuisance to other neighbours as he has shirked all responsibility for the past 3 years. .

you have no rights in respect of getting your neighbour's LL to do anything whatsoever about his tenants.

you can ask for him to consider what he could do, but you cannot claim rights or force him

if he does not care how his daughter behaves then the fact she is his tenant is unlikely to add any extra incentive for him to change his attitude to her

izzybusy23 wrote: »

I did ask him to let me know which Landlord Association he was a member of and details of it but he chose to not provide that. What I would like to know is how I found this out if he is not willing to provide it?

that is none of your business and anyway there is no requirement to be a member of an association

izzybusy23 wrote: »

And my understanding is that although he is letting it to family they still have to abide by the rules every other tenant has to? Thanks for your help.

a tenancy agreement does not impose "rules" over relationships with neighbours any more than having an owner occupier next door gives you any rights over their behaviour

you can of course report things to the council environmental health dept regarding noise, anti social behaviour, tipping etc. Your council will tell you to keep a diary and come back when you have evidence, meantime they will likely ignore you and are unlikely to do more than send a few letters when you do have evidence.

izzybusy23

So tenants don't have to make sure that they leave dirty stinking bin bags around that attract maggots no?! I can assure you that a tenancy agreement will say tenants are not to make a nuisance of themselves after being a tenant myself for many years. I am sure if I was to make my neighbours life a misery my then landlord would have hauled me over hot coals and threatened with being evicted. Why should it be any different because she is family. She is still a tenant!


Helpful response.

bob_bank_spanker

The previous response you received was correct. You have exactly the same recourse as you would if the neighbour is an owner occupier. If there is an environmental health issue with the bins, contact the council. The contract between the tenant and their LL has nothing to do with you.

Hasbeen

Landlords have responsibility and I believe can be fined for their tenants anti social behaviour "someone will be quick to correct this if not"

See Link
https://www.gov.uk/private-renting/antisocial-behaviour

fairy_lights

Surely it's not your neighbours fault if there was a problem with her bin collection though, wouldn't it be better to complain to your local council about that?
The noise and banging etc - have you tried talking to the neighbour about it? Tea and cake etc?

Pixie5740

What rules do you think tenants have to live by that don't also apply to owner-occupiers?

Pixie5740

Hasbeen wrote: »

Landlords have responsibility and I believe can be fined for their tenants anti social behaviour "someone will be quick to correct this if not"

See Link
https://www.gov.uk/private-renting/antisocial-behaviour

Only landlords in Scotland have a legal responsibility to ensure their tenants aren't causing a nuisance and some areas in rUK where there is landlord licensing.

Pixie5740

izzybusy23 wrote: »

So tenants don't have to make sure that they leave dirty stinking bin bags around that attract maggots no?! I can assure you that a tenancy agreement will say tenants are not to make a nuisance of themselves after being a tenant myself for many years. I am sure if I was to make my neighbours life a misery my then landlord would have hauled me over hot coals and threatened with being evicted. Why should it be any different because she is family. She is still a tenant!


Helpful response.

You cannot assure us, or anyone else for that matter, what a tenancy agreement that you've never seen says. You don't even know if there is a written tenancy agreement.

Kevie192

izzybusy23 wrote: »

So tenants don't have to make sure that they leave dirty stinking bin bags around that attract maggots no?! I can assure you that a tenancy agreement will say tenants are not to make a nuisance of themselves after being a tenant myself for many years. I am sure if I was to make my neighbours life a misery my then landlord would have hauled me over hot coals and threatened with being evicted. Why should it be any different because she is family. She is still a tenant!


Helpful response.

Just because you've always had this as a clause in your agreement doesn't mean your neighbours will have it in theirs. I'd be surprised if they have an agreement at all, given the owner is family.

The relationship between your neighbours and their landlord is none of your business and you should stop harrassing him about the behaviour of his tenants.

If you have issues with public order or environmental health then contact the relevant authorities, just as you would if the neighbour owned the property.

Oh and, a word of advice; drop the stinking attitude towards people trying to help you if you want helpful answers. The right answers may not always be the ones you want to hear.

00ec25

izzybusy23 wrote: »

So tenants don't have to make sure that they leave dirty stinking bin bags around that attract maggots no?! I can assure you that a tenancy agreement will say tenants are not to make a nuisance of themselves after being a tenant myself for many years. I am sure if I was to make my neighbours life a misery my then landlord would have hauled me over hot coals and threatened with being evicted. Why should it be any different because she is family. She is still a tenant!


Helpful response.

further helpful response, as stated, the mere fact she is a tenant does not mean you have any right to force either her father or her landlord to take action against her

you can ask, he can choose to ignore you

you can complain to the council, they (not you) have the legal authority to prosecute under various legislation