Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

setmefree2

chucknorris wrote: »

In that case, I am struggling to see what will have been gained from leaving the EU? It doesn't bother me that much as I voted remaim, but wasn't the freedom of movement the main thing that Brexiteers wanted? I know some were concerned about the EU imposing laws, but I always thought that was their second choice (to FOM). Or am I missing something?

If they'd wanted it that much - surely they would have turned out and voted Tory in the GE2017??

Or am I missing something?

chucknorris

setmefree2 wrote: »

If they'd wanted it that much - surely they would have turned out and voted Tory in the GE2017??

I voted remain, but also voted Tory. I had just accepted that we were heading for a hard Brexit (and I'd moved on).

A soft Brexit would probably mean that the pound will recover, and consequently the ftse will fall. If that does happen, I won't be too badly off because I did sell half my holding in the ftse when it was about 7,400 and re-invested it in a REIT, which may possibly go up, given that UK REIT's fell dramatically when the Brexit vote was returned. I'll not hold my breath though, trying to second guess the ftse is a fools game.

mayonnaise

chucknorris wrote: »

In that case, I am struggling to see what will have been gained from leaving the EU? It doesn't bother me that much as I voted remaim, but wasn't the freedom of movement the main thing that Brexiteers wanted? I know some were concerned about the EU imposing laws, but I always thought that was their second choice (to FOM). Or am I missing something?

We'll probably have a bit of tinkering around freedom of movement to keep the raving brexiteers in their box, akin to what DC tried to negotiate last year i.e. no benefits for x years, no tax credits for x years.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

mayonnaise wrote: »

We'll probably have a bit of tinkering around freedom of movement to keep the raving brexiteers in their box, akin to what DC tried to negotiate last year i.e. no benefits for x years, no tax credits for x years.

And that seems reasonable enough.

We'll also regain control over fishing grounds, justice, agriculture, and a whole host of other areas which should be more than enough to swing large enough segments of the public that this will gain majority support.

padington

mayonnaise wrote: »

We'll probably have a bit of tinkering around freedom of movement to keep the raving brexiteers in their box, akin to what DC tried to negotiate last year i.e. no benefits for x years, no tax credits for x years.

The real issue is what Brexit was all about. A complete lack of social mobility. People economically treading water. The tories have failed to provide an answer and worse, created the mess we find ourselves in. All whilst the mainstreme media is loosing traction as a force fast and social media becomes a dominant force, currently actually owned by a an aspiring American democrat and manipulated with great effect by momentum.

New paradigm, new world order.

Expect crypto currency platforms to make the internet 2.0 and the bank 2.0 before not too long also.

Every year also Tory voters die and a new batch of labour voters join the party from here on in.

The uk establishment is minutes to midnight away from a political and technological revolution.

Corbyn won't hold back when he gets in, there is going to be massive change on the horizon, Brexit is a bit of a red herring, it's everything else that will offer the real excitement.

Unless the establishment pulls out a masterpiece move some time very soon. I would suggest the tories go VERY one nation and take the centre ground like Blair did asap for a start.

chucknorris

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And that seems reasonable enough.

We'll also regain control over fishing grounds, justice, agriculture, and a whole host of other areas which should be more than enough to swing large enough segments of the public that this will gain majority support.

Not to mention more powerful hoovers, so we really showed the EU up, and put them in their place, the message will be clear, they'll never try to mess with our hoovers again (actually I seem to recall hearing that hoovergate had been resolved anyway).

Herzlos

mayonnaise wrote: »

We'll probably have a bit of tinkering around freedom of movement to keep the raving brexiteers in their box, akin to what DC tried to negotiate last year i.e. no benefits for x years, no tax credits for x years.

Don't we already have the ability to do that?

padington

I think there is only one man that can get the tories out of this pickle as far as the electorate is considered and that's Ken Clark. The daily mail, sun, gove, blojo and Murdock gang need to give up on Brexit and let the tories have a chance of winning. Put up Ken Clark, offer a very mild Brexit and start running the nation in a civilised inclusive congenial manner that befits the best of British temperament.

Why we keep putting up with an Australian media tycoon secretly running our country, I will never know.

The_Last_Username

Times (no pun intended) may have moved on since this was published but the content is no less relevant now than it was then.

There is no such thing as hard or soft Brexit

https://www.ft.com/content/f7764e16-5635-11e6-9f70-badea1b336d4

chucknorris

The_Last_Username wrote: »

Times (no pun intended) may have moved on since this was published but the content is no less relevant now than it was then.

https://www.ft.com/content/f7764e16-5635-11e6-9f70-badea1b336d4

I can't see the link because I don't want to subscribe, but given that soft Brexit is generally accepted to mean remain in the single market, and hard Brexit means leaving the single market. Why is there 'no such thing'? Both seem possible outcomes to me.