Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

mrginge

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Similarly i said nothing about restricting press freedoms, just that to own a British newspaper you should be resident and pay taxes here. For example, what in suggesting wouldnt stock Paul Dacre from buying the Daily Mail from Rothermere (non dom) if I had my way, would it? Im sure you can imagine how I feel about Dacre. If you disagree with my view then please do argue your side of it, but dont twist my words and outright lie about what ive said.

You seem to hold newspaper editors in very high regard. What about the owners of other media outlets? Should we be asking all owners to follow your new rules?
Perhaps we should be stopping broadcasts from Al Jazeera? Or Russia Today, or CNN?

Thrugelmir

GreatApe wrote: »

Actually that probably isn't true its possibly more like 100 units produced 95 units consumed as the public has a positive savings rate. Perhaps migrants are more like 100 units produced 90 consumed primarily due to the better demographics of migrants.

Perhaps their aim is to remit a high proportion of their earnings home to support their family or save for the future. Particularly if they come from a lower wage economy. £'s earnt will buy a lot more. (Or did I should say, as indications are that net migration are falling).

While here. They still buy from the Polski Shop that supplies all nature of imported home comforts. They share accommodation to keep costs down. Rarely eat or drink out.

They are employed to lay drives on a piece work basis. Receiving their pay in cash.

Rusty_Shackleton

Greatape you seem to be suggesting that immigrants consuming goods and services here is a bad thing? Thats wrong, we want them to buy things, it drives economic output. The main argument against immigrants with regards to consumption (not to say that you or I agree on it or not) is that they consume public resources (education, healthcare etc.) without contributing as much through tax.

Mrginge, with the example of Russia Today and Al Jazeera I couldnt agree more. All im suggesting is that the news media should be treated in the same way many countries treat critical infrastructure, in that foreign ownership and control is forbidden. Whether you're on the left or right, I would have thought everyone should be concerned about foreign propaganda and influence, whether from state actors or billionaires. If the USSR were about today, how would you feel about them controlling a major newspaper in the UK?

Rusty_Shackleton

Sorry greatape, just realised i misread what you'd said. Worth bearing in mind that the vast majority of immigrants fall into the age grouo you prefer... Older immigrants are the ones we predominantly send to Spain!

Fella

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

i dont think he should be allowed to stoke hatred in order to make a quick buck from abroad.

How do you feel about the Daily Mirror & The Guardian stoking hatred?

Rusty_Shackleton

When you say 'stoke hatred' do you mean 'print things that you don't agree with?'

As far as I'm aware we have a fairly advanced legal framework in this country, which mean that if anyone starts 'stoking hatred' they can be prosecuted. Equally you as an individual can raise complaints about newspaper articles quite easily and have that complaint independently assessed.

IPSO are entirely reactive, which, while better for press freedom, means the damage is already done when they stoke hatred, corrections tend to be small and go unnoticed.

There are so many examples of the tabloids stoking hatred I dont know where to start. And no, i dont mean things i disagree with, i mean the actual lies that get printed about vulnerable groups such as immigrants and refugees, amongst others. The reason there is so rarely a grown up debate about immigrants is because of the use of vile language such as cockroaches to describe asylum seekers by the likes of the Daily Mail. Would you care to defend that language? Is that acceptable in your mind... Do you think an example such as that is just me attacking a position i disagree with?

kabayiri

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Sorry greatape, just realised i misread what you'd said. Worth bearing in mind that the vast majority of immigrants fall into the age grouo you prefer... Older immigrants are the ones we predominantly send to Spain!

That's not guaranteed though with FOM.

I know a nice EU migrant who works here and I am sure he will do well.

He has been joined by his parents who are getting on a bit, and his father particularly has some demanding health needs.

It's probably quite difficult to work out the net benefit situation for him, but I fully understand why he would want his family here, on a human level.

Rusty_Shackleton

Fella, i cant comment on the mirror but i do read the guardian, and i dont recall seeing anything that I would consider stoking hatred. Are you able to give me an example of something you would consider such?

kabayiri

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

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Mrginge, with the example of Russia Today and Al Jazeera I couldnt agree more. All im suggesting is that the news media should be treated in the same way many countries treat critical infrastructure, in that foreign ownership and control is forbidden. Whether you're on the left or right, I would have thought everyone should be concerned about foreign propaganda and influence, whether from state actors or billionaires. If the USSR were about today, how would you feel about them controlling a major newspaper in the UK?

I think you are looking at the wrong targets, those of yesterday's world.

Things like Twitter; YouTube; Facebook; these all have a direct and daily influence on the news feed into many peoples lives now.

These are all controlled by foreign ownership.

Rusty_Shackleton

Kabayiri, the platforms are controlled by foreign ownership, but the authors can be anyone... I consider them a quite separate issue which requires a completely different approach - that doesnt mean action shouldnt be taken on other issues, such as newspapers. The actual media still hold considerable sway, and are seen as legitmate far more so than fb, twitter etc