Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

Why not just ditch all of our food safety standards whilst we're at it so we can bring in the cheapest crap from around the globe?

We bring masses of nasty factory farmed Thai chicken, but you knew that of course....

posh*spice

Honestly I don't do politics on FB - but Open Britain today :mad:

Who is paying for this !!!!?

gfplux

Any free trade deal with the USA should be taking into account Britains farming and agri culture business. Will an open border to American food have any implications for farming in Britain.
Free trade deals are about two things. Trying to export more and protecting your own industry's.

gfplux

Transition period or Implimentation phase is just the same road to hell except at a slower pace.
If business on both sides needs more than the near three years from June 2016 to have planned and implemented changes for Brexit (on both sides) then they should just become the casualty of a changing world. Adapt or go under has always been the way.

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote: »

Transition period or Implimentation phase is just the same road to hell except at a slower pace.
If business on both sides needs more than the near three years from June 2016 to have planned and implemented changes for Brexit (on both sides) then they should just become the casualty of a changing world. Adapt or go under has always been the way.

How has the EU adapted to the financial crisis in Greece?
How has the EU adapted to the migrant crisis in the Med?

If you are talking only about companies, then it is hard for them to adapt until they know what Brexit will look like. All they can do is contingency plan.

always_sunny

another one: Japanese exodus: Mizuho picks Frankfurt for new EU base

Fella

More bad news for Corbyn as Labour contradict themselves continually:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-growing-backlash-brexit-single-market-customs-union-a7857741.html

Meanwhile, if anybody seriously thinks Labour under Corbyn have the slightest intention of delivering the Brexit we voted for, take a look at what his Brexit Minister is up to:

https://order-order.com/2017/07/24/sir-keir-joining-mishcon-paid-18000-for-24-hours-work/

Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir Keir Starmer is joining Mishcon de Reya as a legal adviser. Mishcon are ultra Remainers – they were behind a big business legal challenge to Brexit and they of course represent Gina Miller.

Along with his lies about Student Debt Corbyn managed to fool an awful lot (of, um fools?) with his position on Brexit. His laughably vague & meaningless "jobs first Brexit" line seems to have been enough to satisfy Remaners whilst his disingenous "we'll deliver Brexit" stance seems (incredibly) to have fooled some Brexit supporters.

Student debt debacle & now his position on Brexit is shown to be a shambles. Usually you have to actually win an election for your promises to unravel this quickly. I wonder which manifest pledge will be shown up next.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

So apparently Fox has said he's open to the UK allowing US exports of chlorinated chicken, hormone-fed beef and GM crops and that we're overreacting about it:

http://news.sky.com/story/liam-fox-open-to-importing-us-chlorinated-chicken-10959270

Glad to see we'll be keeping our standards up.

Just as we're glad to see that some still fall for scare stories and do no reading or research.

As has been pointed out, tell us what is put into our drinking water to make it safe to drink?
Tell us what is put into swimming pools, hot tubs etc. to keep them safe to bathe in?

This from The Grocer:

their EU colleagues agree. The European food safety regulator EFSA looked at the issue of chlorine treatment and found “chemical substances in poultry are unlikely to pose an immediate or acute health risk for consumers.”

https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/buying-and-supplying/food-safety/chlorinated-chicken-explained-why-do-the-americans-treat-their-poultry-with-chlorine/555618.article

This from the Adam Smith Institute:

Brits would have to eat three entire chlorine-washed chickens every day for an extended period to risk harm

https://www.adamsmith.org/news/chlorinated-chicken

Talk of reduced standards is fallacy, nothing more than EU protectionism and scaremongering.
This for example on Thai chicken where concerns were raised, yet is widely-used here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/thai-chicken-better-than-most-british-production-says-rspca-2124580.html

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Just as we're glad to see that some still fall for scare stories and do no reading or research.

As has been pointed out, tell us what is put into our drinking water to make it safe to drink?
Tell us what is put into swimming pools, hot tubs etc. to keep them safe to bathe in?

I've done a bit of research but also take for granted it's banned for a reason.

This page does a good job of explaining it: http://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/columns/faunaforum/why-poultry-companies-dip-chicken-in-chlorine--1.382266

There's a trace amount of chlorine in our drinking water, more in pools but people are advised to shower after swimming.

The main reason behind chlorine disinfecting of US chickens is because of the faeces contamination from battery farming.

Whilst you may need to consume a lot of it to suffer "harm", it's not a nice thing to be doing anyway is it? Combine the additional chlorine we're getting from chicken with all of the other sources and it'll still all add up.
Since the faeces and urine now cover each bird carcass it is then dipped into chlorine to disinfect it. This is also so inadequate that the faeces sti...

Read more at: http://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/columns/faunaforum/why-poultry-companies-dip-chicken-in-chlorine--1.382266

As mentioned by you, we can get better chicken from Thailand already, pretty cheaply, so why do we want to import cheaper bleached stuff from the US?

If it's just to bring down the cost, why don't we reduce our standards after leaving the EU and bleach our own battery chickens, and just stop exporting to the EU (do we sell chicken to the EU currently)?

How much further should we allow food standards to be dropped in order to save money?


How do you feel about battery beef and GM crops?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

I don't know about chicken so much but I do recognise a lot of sheeple determined to force an issue that just is not there.
So many posts from the pro-EU contingent with so little fact; we are not discussing how India chlorinates or their research, we are discussing USA sourced chlorinated chicken.

Chlorinated chicken is banned in the EU on the pretext that washing in chlorine might be used by producers to hide other hygiene problems. But food premises are supposed to be inspected, chlorination or no chlorination – so if someone is dragging chickens through the dirt before they are sent off to the supermarket it ought to be picked up anyway. The ban is really just one more form of EU protectionism. EU chicken-producers don’t like US chicken because it retails for around 80 per cent the price of European chicken.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/ignore-the-scare-stories-from-remainers-over-chlorinated-chicken/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/24/us-chlorinated-chicken-not-ruled-out-by-no-10-in-pursuit-of-trade-deals

There is no evidence whatsoever that lower standards would result from this example.
It is yet another tactic of those determined to insist that EU standards are better even when they may not be.
As previously posted, look at (just for example) the French and indeed others within the EU who have poor animal husbandry standards such as force feeding geese, cruelty to veal calves etc.

Now as has been said;

posh*spice wrote: »

For gods sake - shut up about chicken ��

If someone really wants to discuss beef or GM foods perhaps a new thread may be more appropriate, say on foodstuffs.