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GT60

Sorry I presumed when Floppy was mentioned I needed a floppy disc

Due to age a usb probably will not work to install drivers?
I did try the USB this morning but it just sat on the black screen with the curser for an hour
You could also slipstream the sata drivers onto the xp installation disk via nlite.
I was going to say this is also going over my head but I have googled it and looks very complicated like the other links you gave me to read

I would recommend you try 10 as it may have the correct drivers, but if that fails use XP, because we know xp works, and there are SATA drivers to download for xp. Once you have got the basics to boot and run, then you can put on something newer on.
Is this windows 10?

is this the 'big grey cable' which is ide that has split in the pic below, or as DavidP24 says the sata? A few grey cables in there.
Yes the Big grey cable has a split in it and broken wires

Boot speed: on boot the system is looking for something and waiting. Possibly the Disk? Go to the bios and check the boot order: dvd first (installation media source?) and your sata disk second. It does boot from dvd?
This is by tapping F6 or F2 as I do tap them and about a minute or so later the boot screen comes up ( the screen with the 4 or 5 options grey writing and a blue background) I will post a photo

I have also just noticed the sata 2 plug which is the one in use on the circuit board is loose (wobbles) so must have a bad connection to the board
Can I use Sata 1 connection?

GT60

I have been trying to load windows 7 on the PC also so from what you are saying isn't going to work just yet


How easy would it be for me to rebuild the tower in to a fast up to date PC instead?
with new components.

also I haven't been using anything for static protection either as I thought installing an OS would be easy but I now know it is not that straight forward, I didn't know the mother board thing has software installed on it also ( the Floppy F6 thing)
Thank you once again for all your help
you are really helpful and I appreciate you both spending all you time helping me

were

GT60 wrote: »

Sorry I presumed when Floppy was mentioned I needed a floppy disc

Due to age a usb probably will not work to install drivers?
I did try the USB this morning but it just sat on the black screen with the curser for an hour
You could also slipstream the sata drivers onto the xp installation disk via nlite.
I was going to say this is also going over my head but I have googled it and looks very complicated like the other links you gave me to read

The earlier implementations of usb v2 did not boot from usb, and the bios possibly also has no setting for that either.

XP did not come with sata drivers, however some manufacturers like Dell did add sata drivers to their XP installation CD. Your sata drivers were/are on a floppy disk, and the installation/utility cd for your mboard has these drivers on it and the raid sata drivers too - for xp. You are suppose to copy the drivers off and put them on the a:\ of the floppy disk so that when you boot the xp disk, it will display something about F6 for external drivers, and you insert the floppy, but with hindsight a usb drive may work on win 10, if the drivers are not already there???

I would recommend you try 10 as it may have the correct drivers, but if that fails use XP, because we know xp works, and there are SATA drivers to download for xp. Once you have got the basics to boot and run, then you can put on something newer on.
Is this windows 10?

If you are lucky, windows 10 will have sata drivers that will work on your card. If it does not you can possibly download them from here??? http://www.driverscape.com/manufacturers/asus/laptops-desktops/a8v-e-deluxe/81330 Look under "Hard Disk Controller Drivers" not "VIA Serial ATA RAID Controller". Windows 10 will hopefully bypass you usb mboard/bios restrictions?

The probable reason why windows 10 worked, is that you kept doing live upgrades.

is this the 'big grey cable' which is ide that has split in the pic below, or as DavidP24 says the sata? A few grey cables in there.
Yes the Big grey cable has a split in it and broken wires

This is the first thing you have to replace. Once replaced you need to make sure you can boot from the DVD drive and the the windows DVD starts to load. This is the type of cable you need, the coloured wire goes to pin 1 which is marked on the board and drive, but your seem to be the correct way around. Make sure the cable you buy is long enough, better too long than too short. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20CM-40-PIN-IDE-ATA-MOTHERBOARD-TO-DRIVE-RIBBON-CABLE-DATA-TRANSFER-UK-SELLER-/263027212252?hash=item3d3da4bfdc:m:mAKeqw4pfYugVsBhO9C1BGw

Just buy a new SATA cable too ( longer rather than shorter one, and one with the metal clip like existing one that grabs onto the drive)

I have also just noticed the sata 2 plug which is the one in use on the circuit board is loose (wobbles) so must have a bad connection to the board
Can I use Sata 1 connection?

DavidP24 on post #24 asked you to use sata1. I did missed this too and also in post #25 asked you to put the sata cable into sata1 - the one with the red box around it. Do not worry about sata 2. Dont touch sata2

Recap: (1) buy new ide cable of the correct length or longer and replace, put plug it into the [STRIKE]blue one[/STRIKE] existing black socket, but clean grime first. (2) Carefully plug in sata cable into Sata 1 as per above photo, but clean grime first. (3) Make sure your PC can boot from the CD drive < main aim before anything else

were

GT60 wrote: »

I have been trying to load windows 7 on the PC also so from what you are saying isn't going to work just yet

How easy would it be for me to rebuild the tower in to a fast up to date PC instead?
with new components.

also I haven't been using anything for static protection either as I thought installing an OS would be easy but I now know it is not that straight forward, I didn't know the mother board thing has software installed on it also ( the Floppy F6 thing)
Thank you once again for all your help
you are really helpful and I appreciate you both spending all you time helping me

I think it at worst will eventually work, but will require you to watch a few youtube videos and burn a dvd or two and you have to get sata drivers onto that CD. If you get a floppy drive and cables, it could be cheap-ish and quicker. The easiest way it is going to work is to buy two ide ribbon cables and convert that sata disk to ide for £3.28 using http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-3-5-IDE-to-SATA-SATA-to-IDE-ATA100-133-HDD-Converter-Adapter-Cables-PC-/252250070103?hash=item3abb469c57:g:duMAAOSwGotWlfP%20%20Z
The computer should see the drive as ide and the cd install straight off, bypassing sata.

Providing you touch the chassis of the computer first (but really you should be in permanent contact with the chassis), static should not be an issue.

Carefull upgrading to a new mboard. Current board follow some standard port positioning (or cut out pannel), the old ones did not, then there could well be mounting pillar location differences too. Possible power supply inadequacies, especially if you upgrade the cpu. Possibly cheaper to buy something newer from ebay for less.

It would not surprise me if you do the 3 things on the previous post, windows 10 installs.

GT60

Recap: (1) buy new ide cable of the correct length or longer and replace, put plug it into the blue one, but clean grime first. (2) Carefully plug in sata cable into Sata 1 as per above photo, but clean grime first. (3) Make sure your PC can boot from the CD drive < main aim before anything else


I have a "sata cable from the CCTV box that the HD was plugged into would this do for the cable?
I have now ordered the ide cable


so when that arrives I will plug everything in and try again using the widows XP disc I have
All the OD disc's that I have are just OS and nothing else (not branded EG dell ETC.)
I will get a brush and clean the tower also
shall I get the antistatic band also as when I have got this pc working I will over time and with your help if you are will to do so rebuild the pc into a new all singing and dancing machine for my children
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Anti-Static-WristBand-Strap-ESD-Grounding-Wrist-Strap-Prevents-Static-Build-Up-/331796152712?hash=item4d40978188:g:q8AAAOSwv9hW3Gno
Thank you

were

Sata cable. If you have wiggled it alot, they break.

Xp should boot from cd, but doubt it will install as the nrmal cs do not have stata drivers. Boot off a windows 10 cd as that may contain sata drivers and most likely will support usb to inport the missing drivers, of they are not on the disk.

There is little, if any money saved by building a pc from parts. Buying one is often cheaper.

GT60

The windows 10 cd is the iso one from M soft
when I updated my other desktop from wind to 10 at the time m soft were pushing win 10
Now ordered the sata cable and an antistatic band
Thank you very much for everything

GT60

HI
the ide cable has a spit in it and a broken wire
the sata cable is the one you gave me the link to http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162518003944?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


I will be vacuuming the tower to get rid of the dust just using a paint brush to loosen the dust
Thanks

GT60

The cables should be here Friday so hopefully Saturday I will retry
I always press F2 soon as I turn the pc on but it seems to take ages for the bios to appear if at all.
To remove ide and sata will they appear with enable / disable at the side of them?
Then when I have the cd in the first boot order I take it I enable ide and sata again and then start to load the cd?

Thanks

were

the sata and ide are normally different, but you do have an old mboard/bios. You have not yet told us the exact model of the mboard? I gather it is an Asus-A8v-Deluxe, but you have not confirmed this?

I think this is very close to your bios, and possibly you should set yours up the same way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63JztirAJFI

from the above vid @ 0:16 you should have a dvd drive listed too hopefully 2 drives, but also suspect this mboard on the vid is newer?

@0:41 you want for an easy install to have you first boot device the cd rom, the the seconds the hard disk.

Since the ide cable is not here yet, plug the drive into sata1 (as per pic, not the raid one), make the bios changes as listed in the vid, IDE drives are normally set to "auto detect", and boot it.

I will change a previous note, I would say now when that wide grey cable arrives, put in in place of the existing ripped cable onthe black connector (notice the side of the coloured cable), DO NOT put it in the blue socket as I suggested earlier, but use the exiting black socket. In regard to the new wide cable, when removing, gently pull the cable straight out with finger and thumb holding the centre of the wide cable, or of you must gently wiggle both sides out in small steps, rather than grab one side and yank the cable out in one go, as this will rip the cable. Some cable have a plastic grab on top allowing you to pull the cable out.

For full disclosure: I have never worked on this type of mboard, and DavidP24 is most likely correct in the the drive should show or be detected, but there was also some weird software around at this time that overlayed the bios, mapping certain stuff out, but allowing other stuff to run, and was in my case on the Seagate Disk Manger Floppy (we only used Seagate drives). Version 1 of anything is sometimes bad news, as there are no set standards. SATA has now matured.