Yellow Box at T Junction - PCN Advice

NBLondon

Wig wrote: »

How would your exit become blocked if there was a gap in oncoming traffic?

Hypothetically we're at a classic crossroads... On of the oncoming vehicles makes a left (for them) turn into my planned exit and then stops e.g. they are a bus and there is a bus stop right after the junction (bad road design but they exist). That exit was clear when I entered the box - so not an offence at that point - but is still blocked when the oncoming traffic stops. Playing word games now.... If I remain stationary; I have not committed an offence because I was already in the box when the exit became blocked yet if I start to move off and then stop again without leaving the box - I have because I have then caused the vehicle to stop in the box. Again - a single photo is misleading.


Back to the OP - the OP did have an escape route viz. turn left into Bridge Lane thus exiting the box correctly instead of stopping. But I doubt many people would think of that on the fly...

unholyangel

NBLondon wrote: »

Hypothetically we're at a classic crossroads... On of the oncoming vehicles makes a left (for them) turn into my planned exit and then stops e.g. they are a bus and there is a bus stop right after the junction (bad road design but they exist). That exit was clear when I entered the box - so not an offence at that point - but is still blocked when the oncoming traffic stops. Playing word games now.... If I remain stationary; I have not committed an offence because I was already in the box when the exit became blocked yet if I start to move off and then stop again without leaving the box - I have because I have then caused the vehicle to stop in the box. Again - a single photo is misleading.


Back to the OP - the OP did have an escape route viz. turn left into Bridge Lane thus exiting the box correctly instead of stopping. But I doubt many people would think of that on the fly...

It wouldn't be an offence because as I quoted above, the offence is:

no person shall cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles

As you can see, the offence is not "no person shall cause a vehicle to stop within a box junction due to stationary vehicles". It is purely on the basis of when you enter the box whether you commit an offence or not.