Elderly tenant - moral dilemma

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Pixie5740 wrote:

Unless your friend served the tenant with a Section 20 notice when he first moved in or has subsequently asked him to sign an AST agreement she cannot simply give him 2 months notice. He will have an Assured Tenancy and it is very difficult to evict an Assured Tenant.

If a Assured tenant has signed any AST.

They still have a Assured Tenancy, see Jasbir Kaur Kahlon v Andrew Isherwood 2011

https://nearlylegal.co.uk/2011/05/assuredly/

Signing a AST would not take there rights as a AT.

Apoorwoman

Elderly tenant had his toes amputated on one foot last Monday, but apparently is doing OK and there is talk of him leaving hospital next week.

Friend asked to speak to his social worker, but was told that he hasn't been allocated one yet.

Another nephew has been located and my friend has spoken to him. It appears he visited his uncle last year and agrees that he cannot continue to live on his own. He has however, just gone on holiday for two weeks.

We have also found that he has an Assured Tenancy!

Hopefully his original social worker will be back from holiday next week.

EachPenny

Thank you for the update, at least there is some good news in there.

From my own experience of elderly people living in rural areas I know how hard it can be. I just hope it all works out well for everyone involved.

Tygermoth

Never mind elderly people in rural areas. My grandfather a dyed in the wool woman hating, casual racist and all round offensive soul lives just like the gent in the OP - in a well connected beautiful hamlet where everyone still knows their neighbours and chat over the fence.

This has nothing to do with social divide or lack of care, he's got money in the bank, wealthy, educated and owns his home. However he refuses to spend a penny for any form of upkeep on his home. He lives in squalor. He is rude and aggressive to any one from the 'social' and deeply suspicious of anyone offering to help be it family or friends. he hates everyone - he was moderately irritable and impatient as a young man and its just developed to just pain rude as he has aged.

Hes fit, healthy and has no underlying medical conditions. So his family just leave him to steep in his own muck because frankly its what he wants.

xylophone

Your grandfather is healthy, wealthy, and owns his own home.

The elderly tenant is in poor health, neglecting a property that is not his own, (possibly risking setting it and himself on fire ) and (it appears) lives largely on benefits.

The only similarity appears to be that they are both living in pleasant locations in self imposed squalor.

"Where every prospect pleases and only man is vile......" :eek:

sparky130a

Tygermoth wrote: »

Never mind elderly people in rural areas. My grandfather a dyed in the wool woman hating, casual racist and all round offensive soul lives just like the gent in the OP - in a well connected beautiful hamlet where everyone still knows their neighbours and chat over the fence.

This has nothing to do with social divide or lack of care, he's got money in the bank, wealthy, educated and owns his home. However he refuses to spend a penny for any form of upkeep on his home. He lives in squalor. He is rude and aggressive to any one from the 'social' and deeply suspicious of anyone offering to help be it family or friends. he hates everyone - he was moderately irritable and impatient as a young man and its just developed to just pain rude as he has aged.

Hes fit, healthy and has no underlying medical conditions. So his family just leave him to steep in his own muck because frankly its what he wants.

Hello! :wave:

:rotfl:

Tygermoth

The comments were in relation to the earlier portion of the thread noting the landlady should be expected to do more and this could be pinned on an issue of not caring.....

I just wanted to highlight that id not always the case - poorly, by all accounts. Sorry, i appear to be not functioning very well today (see sig below) and apologise for any upset of confusion!

*rather embarrassed*

sparky130a

Tygermoth wrote: »

The comments were in relation to the earlier portion of the thread noting the landlady should be expected to do more and this could be pinned on an issue of not caring.....

I just wanted to highlight that id not always the case - poorly, by all accounts. Sorry, i appear to be not functioning very well today (see sig below) and apologise for any upset of confusion!

*rather embarrassed*

I thought it was rather really honest. And therefore refreshing.

Let's call a spade a spade.

xylophone

*rather embarrassed*

No need! My comment was just to highlight the fact that despite the squalor, your grandfather is unlikely to harm himself or his property whereas the tenant seems on course to do himself and his rental a mischief......

EachPenny

xylophone wrote: »

...your grandfather is unlikely to harm himself or his property whereas the tenant seems on course do do himself and his rental a mischief......

Actually (and sadly) apart from the differences in home ownership, unless something changes the grandfather may well end up in exactly the same position as the gentleman in the OP.

That's partly why I referred to the rural element - in the countryside there is a tendency to 'let people be' and not interfere in other people's business until a crisis happens. In the grandfather's case, only the family are likely to change the course of events before it gets to that crisis point.

In contrast, the elderly gent (or lady) living in a town is likely to have the council set upon them the moment a hedge overgrows the footpath, or a rat is seen lurking by the bins.

I've seen both scenarios happen to people - neither is a nice way to spend your later years.