We'd like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum... Read More »
PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING: Hello Forumites! In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non-MoneySaving matters are not permitted per the Forum rules. While we understand that mentioning house prices may sometimes be relevant to a user's specific MoneySaving situation, we ask that you please avoid veering into broad, general debates about the market, the economy and politics, as these can unfortunately lead to abusive or hateful behaviour. Threads that are found to have derailed into wider discussions may be removed. Users who repeatedly disregard this may have their Forum account banned. Please also avoid posting personally identifiable information, including links to your own online property listing which may reveal your address. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
Property rental advice please

jadelois
Posts: 96 Forumite


Hi all,
We currently rent a couple of flats out and have had a fairly smooth experience with this so far however we have had a bit of a nightmare tenant in of late and was wondering if anyone can offer an advice on what our rights (or lack of) as landlords are.
The flats have a shared entrance into a small hallway and then separate entrances at the top of the stairs. Tenant 1 had allowed a friend into the property and then left (taking his keys), Tenant 2 in the other flat had gone out sometime later locking both his own flat and the shared entrance doors. Friend of Tenant 1 then wanted to leave and could lock (Yale lock) the flat door but couldn't get out of the shared entrance, apparently couldn't get hold of his friend and so bust the lock to get out. No offer of replacement to the broken lock which was now a security issue and had to be patched up until a replacement was bought.
Tenant 2 phoned to inform us that last night Tenant 1 left the flat ( in the middle of the night taking loads of his stuff ), been trying ever since to contact the tenant to no avail. He is 3 weeks behind on his rent.
It sounds as though potentially he has done a runner (has had a couple of police run ins since arriving) however where do we stand with the flat. Obviously its very unlikely he will pay what he owes but are we allowed to enter the property, how long do we have to wait to see of he's coming back etc etc.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
We currently rent a couple of flats out and have had a fairly smooth experience with this so far however we have had a bit of a nightmare tenant in of late and was wondering if anyone can offer an advice on what our rights (or lack of) as landlords are.
The flats have a shared entrance into a small hallway and then separate entrances at the top of the stairs. Tenant 1 had allowed a friend into the property and then left (taking his keys), Tenant 2 in the other flat had gone out sometime later locking both his own flat and the shared entrance doors. Friend of Tenant 1 then wanted to leave and could lock (Yale lock) the flat door but couldn't get out of the shared entrance, apparently couldn't get hold of his friend and so bust the lock to get out. No offer of replacement to the broken lock which was now a security issue and had to be patched up until a replacement was bought.
Tenant 2 phoned to inform us that last night Tenant 1 left the flat ( in the middle of the night taking loads of his stuff ), been trying ever since to contact the tenant to no avail. He is 3 weeks behind on his rent.
It sounds as though potentially he has done a runner (has had a couple of police run ins since arriving) however where do we stand with the flat. Obviously its very unlikely he will pay what he owes but are we allowed to enter the property, how long do we have to wait to see of he's coming back etc etc.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
0
Comments
-
Assuming that tenant 1 and 2 are joint tenants of the entirety of this one property, on the same tenancy, and tenant 2 is still resident?
The rent is the responsibility of both tenants jointly and severally, so T2 is three weeks behind just as much as T1 is.
T2 can obviously let you in, but you certainly can't view the tenancy has been surrendered.
You could give T1 & T2 two months s21 notice, assuming everything is in a row so as not to invalidate the notice.
T2 could give you one month's notice.
Whether you then wanted to give T2 a solo tenancy is, of course, up to you...
If T1s tenancy is separate from T2s, and is just for the room, then you may be able to view it as surrendered, but certainly not just on a day's word-of-mouth.0 -
The OP talks about letting 'flats' so it sounds like they are separate properties.0
-
Ah, yes. Just noticed the mention of "other flat" in the OP.0
-
Tenant 2 in the other flat had gone out sometime later locking both his own flat and the shared entrance doors. Friend of Tenant 1 then wanted to leave and could lock (Yale lock) the flat door but couldn't get out of the shared entrance, apparently couldn't get hold of his friend and so bust the lock to get out.
You shouldn't have locks on exit doors which can be locked with people in the building. If there had been a fire that person could have been killed. All exit doors should have thumbturn or pushbar latches on the inside to exit.
As landlord with responsibility for the communal stair that should have been dealt with by your fire risk assessment which you did to comply with the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005.
Unless you know that Tenant 1 has surrendered his tenancy he is still a tenant and has all tenant's rights - even if he's behind on his rent. You must follow the correct procedures for eviction and repossession. If you do not the tenant can claim against you for harrassment of a tenant, which is also a criminal offence.A kind word lasts a minute, a skelped erse is sair for a day.0 -
Serve formal notice for inspection in accordance with tenancy agreement and then proceed as abandonment depending what evidence you find.0
-
as anselld says, this appears to be a case of "abandonment" and therefore you need to read this and follow its guidance...
http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/content/abandonment0 -
Thanks everyone for the advice.
The door was never mentioned in the fire checks as all flats have a key to the front door however i see your point and will certainly look into it.
I'll have a read through the abandonment info to see how best to go forward.0
This discussion has been closed.
Confirm your email address to Create Threads and Reply

Categories
- All Categories
- 351.4K Banking & Borrowing
- 253.2K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
- 453.8K Spending & Discounts
- 244.3K Work, Benefits & Business
- 599.6K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
- 177.1K Life & Family
- 257.9K Travel & Transport
- 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
- 16.2K Discuss & Feedback
- 37.6K Read-Only Boards