third planning refusal. Best option

carlsagen

Without resurrecting an old thread in which i discussed purchasing my neighbours house... since this is not happening...

I went ahead and had some plans drawn to extend into a barn out building thats on my plot next to my house with a small modest single story link between the original listed (grade II)house and the barn.

Its been a year or two and we've revisited the plans after thoughts about the link between the upstairs.

essentially we have a 2 bed house and the barn would add another 2 beds. we have two young kids. its not really practical to have the kids in one side of the house and us in another. it also makes the house somewhat 'quirky'. After 3 submissions by our architect the planners have rejected on the basis that a 2 story link is not 'sympathetic' to the listed cottage. So we are stuck with the original plans.

My question is, because this extension creates an annexed 2 bed extension to a two bed house rather than a true 4 bed house. would it be better to sell up and move on due to the return id expect at a later date or does this kind of arrangement not effect price.

I can see it may be advantageous when the kids are teenagers for sure. but they are 1 and 4. Ive also considered having downstairs bedrooms in the barn but then I'm not sure what id do with the space at the other side.

Wed prefer not to move as we like the area and have a wonderful plot with a sizeable chunk of land for the kids to grow up on and enjoy.

Id really appreciate some input and suggestions as I'm currently (as is my wife) stuck and very frustrated.

Ive attached a render of the approved plans that shows the original house to the right and the barn with single story link to the left.

ReadingTim

I'd normally suggest asking the council what they would find acceptable, but after 3 submissions you'd hope you'd done that already.

Bottom line is that they make the rules, you don't. If what is acceptable to them isn't acceptable to you then you've reached a stalemate, and the changes aren't going to happen. Do as they say, or do nothing at all. If you don't like that choice, move.

Hoploz

If you want all the sleeping accomm together and all the living accom together, have you considered using one building for living on two floors and the other building for sleeping?

carlsagen

Thanks for the comments.

Unfortunately planning haven't been 'helpful' in telling us what would be acceptable. Our 3rd attempt was to drop the barn totally and add a dorma type extension above the lean to on the house pictured right and a single story extension on the back. this was refused as the roof wasn't subordinate to the original.

Its very hard. I would have hoped planning would have entertained a face to face to discuss what would be acceptable to them so we could work round it but they flatly refuse.

martindow

I think it might be worth getting an architect who should be able to make the best use of the space and design a practical building. If you choose someone local they are also likely to have experience of the guidelines and dealing with the planning department. I suspect the planners have got into the habit of refusing your applications and you need an intermediary going forward.

ReadingTim

carlsagen wrote: »

Thanks for the comments.

Unfortunately planning haven't been 'helpful' in telling us what would be acceptable. Our 3rd attempt was to drop the barn totally and add a dorma type extension above the lean to on the house pictured right and a single story extension on the back. this was refused as the roof wasn't subordinate to the original.

Its very hard. I would have hoped planning would have entertained a face to face to discuss what would be acceptable to them so we could work round it but they flatly refuse.

Then they have told you what would be acceptable: a roof which is subordinate to the original.

Look at the reasons for the rejections. See if something can be designed which meets their requirements. Consult the grade II listing for the reasons the place was listed and ensure the design accomodates those. Read the local development plan to ensure the property fits in with that.

Alternatively, build what has already been approved, and get over whatever issues you currently have, which seem to revolve entirely around your 2 young children: they ain't gonna be 1 and 4 forever - in fact, they grow up pretty fast.

AdrianC

carlsagen wrote: »

Its very hard. I would have hoped planning would have entertained a face to face to discuss what would be acceptable to them so we could work round it but they flatly refuse.

Have you hired a planning consultant, familiar with your LA and their preferences?