Fined for not paying £0 on my road tax

tho_2

AdrianC wrote: »

Still, it'll be a short-lived problem, with this year's changes to VED.

No it won't. Any car that's currently £0 will remain at £0.

AdrianC

tho wrote: »

No it won't. Any car that's currently £0 will remain at £0.

I was meaning going forward, as the three-year-finance brigade fall into the new scheme.

Mind you, there was a pic of a Leaf (0g/km, electric, so still £0 VED) clamped for being untaxed doing the rounds the other day. It turned out not to have insurance or MOT, either...

Rob_Harfoot

I appreciate what is being said. The term "Tax" your vehicle is totally misleading. The definition of the word "Tax" is as follows:

A compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits, or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.

The idea that people can now be fined for not paying £0.00 tax is bizarre. Why is it that the people at DVLA have been extraordinarily clear about SORN (Statutory Off Road Notification) but seem totally unable to make it clear on the V11 that even if you have nothing to pay you must still declare that the vehicle is on the road. Maybe it is because they had already used up the acronym for "Statutory on Road Notification" and they couldnt come up with anything better than the old "Tax" so they just thought using a word that means something totally different would be fine.

We pick up these forms once a year and I think the least we can expect is for them to be clear. If people are falling foul of the system the DVLA should adjust the forms to take this in to account. The argument that certain people have been doing this for years is ridiculous, if the forms have been used for years why are they not better designed. I think that historically most people classed a tax reminder as a bill and now that they are receiving bills for nothing they are quite rightly confused.

Can somebody explain to me what the crime is here? This person had nothing to gain by not "taxing" their vehicle as they had nothing to pay so it is obvious that the instructions to them were inadequate.

discat11

I have to 'tax' all 3 of our historic vehicles every year -all of them for £0.
I still have to do it.

Look on the bright side at least you eon't have to pay any 'back tax' on top of your fine, I had to do that once on a motorcycle frame that didn't have anything other than the frame as I forgot it wasn't old enough to be historic and had actually forgotten I had it!

Mercdriver

Rob_Harfoot wrote: »

I appreciate what is being said. The term "Tax" your vehicle is totally misleading. The definition of the word "Tax" is as follows:

A compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits, or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.

The idea that people can now be fined for not paying £0.00 tax is bizarre. Why is it that the people at DVLA have been extraordinarily clear about SORN (Statutory Off Road Notification) but seem totally unable to make it clear on the V11 that even if you have nothing to pay you must still declare that the vehicle is on the road. Maybe it is because they had already used up the acronym for "Statutory on Road Notification" and they couldnt come up with anything better than the old "Tax" so they just thought using a word that means something totally different would be fine.

We pick up these forms once a year and I think the least we can expect is for them to be clear. If people are falling foul of the system the DVLA should adjust the forms to take this in to account. The argument that certain people have been doing this for years is ridiculous, if the forms have been used for years why are they not better designed. I think that historically most people classed a tax reminder as a bill and now that they are receiving bills for nothing they are quite rightly confused.

Can somebody explain to me what the crime is here? This person had nothing to gain by not "taxing" their vehicle as they had nothing to pay so it is obvious that the instructions to them were inadequate.

Why is your first post resurrecting an old thread from months ago?

The crime is not conforming to the set procedure. it's not about paying.

seaneyb

my daughter received her reminder to pay £0 and thought like I did that she didn't need to do anything, it was only when she got the fine that we realised that you need to go on dvla to tax it still, I even read her V11 3 times before I noticed in small black letters that she still needed to tax it !!! I think if the dvla sent out the V11 with those words in red they would stand out and be noticed ? as this was the first time I thought they would overlook the fine but even after writing a letter to them they still insist on fining her has anyone else had the same problem and had the fine quashed ? hoping someone can help
thanks in advance Sean

50Twuncle

tho wrote: »

No it won't. Any car that's currently £0 will remain at £0.

My car is £30 (115g/km) - do you imagine that that will stay £30 forever - or will they change the cut off point again ?

tho_2

50Twuncle wrote: »

My car is £30 (115g/km) - do you imagine that that will stay £30 forever - or will they change the cut off point again ?

That car stays at £30. Even this government realises they can't retrospectivly punish you. When you buy a brand new car, even with exactly the same emissions its done to the new guidelines and so much more. Its one reason why I'm not in a hurry to get rid of my 15 plate clio. £0 a year is just right for me.

Car_54

tho wrote: »

That car stays at £30. Even this government realises they can't retrospectivly punish you. When you buy a brand new car, even with exactly the same emissions its done to the new guidelines and so much more. Its one reason why I'm not in a hurry to get rid of my 15 plate clio. £0 a year is just right for me.

For how long? Have the government said that the £30 will apply beyond the 2018-19 tax year?

tho_2

No idea. But Id guess not till after the next election. They haven't risen so far because they'd be punishing you for following their own advice and buying a nice cheap diesel.