Disciplinary for conduct outside of work???

Janey33

sangie595 wrote: »

You aren't going to like this, but nevertheless - I don't believe you. And if this goes to investigation then there is a very good chance that others won't either. So you had better improve on your answers.

He was leaving the scene without stopping - by pulling into another space in close proximity to the parking space in which you were - and where he works? You have no evidence or idea that he was leaving, as opposed to stopping safely somewhere. Especially since he got out and both apologised and gave you his details. You said that.

So why did you also say that officers attended and left after you exchanged details? I know you work for the police, but really - they arrived in seconds? That is inconsistent with your other version of this.

He was being untruthful. In your opinion? You were arguing with him about being untruthful? Was that before or after he was apologetic and you exchanged details? And before or after the police attended? And who called the police - and why? After all, details had already been exchanged when he got out of the car. - you said that?

You are a lone female, you are scared and intimidated by two or three men who are being aggressive and threatening. So it makes perfect sense to get out of your car where you are safe and go into the shop they are in to argue with them. Doesn't it? You walk right past the men, so when was the "second onslaught" - because right now I am only counting one. And you are with your partner? So you and your partner decided to go into the shop and have a go at this young lad, and meanwhile the other two men that you walked past are where?

It's an occupational hazard of mine that I rip people defences to pieces to work out the weaknesses an employer can exploit. Your version here has so many holes it had a flotilla sailing through it. If I can find the holes, so can anyone else.

sangie595 wrote: »

That was a huge mistake. You do not ever talk to the other person. Every insurer tells you - leave what happened to them to sort out! Too late now. The majority of civilian staff I know are in the union - are you? If so, you had better talk to them now, before this goes to an interview.

Yes in the union. I will be calling them, just waiting to see if the complaint actually comes through or not.
Thanks for feedback

Piscean1991

I would imagine it was your ID which gave you away as police staff.

I think, especially where you work ID also opens door systems, it's so easy to forget to take it off so I have sympathy for you there. I always have mine on until I get home because I need it to get out of the building and it's drilled into us that leaving stuff like that in our cars can compromise the security of the school.

How do you know there's been a complaint to your work? Have the man and his dad said they're complaining or has a manager actually informed you?

People make a lot of empty threats when they're angry, or worse trying to intimidate you, and I'd imagine tempers are running high. It's going to be hard to backtrack but I think from now on, you need to make sure any communications you have to have with them are calm and measured. Surely it should be up to insurance companies now anyway? Why was his dad phoning you at all?

If there is a complaint made.. If you were out of order, and I suspect you'll know if you were, you're going to need to be honest about it. Explain your actions, say that you're not seeking to justify them but at the time, you felt x, y and z and that you feel they were also trying to intimidate you.

Bosses are human too and I think most people would be angry in your situation. They'll just want to know that it's not going to happen again and that you understand what went wrong. You might get a warning but I doubt anything more severe.

FBaby

So say that you got seriously injured in the accident, the other person didn't. They looked at you bleeding and screaming in pain whilst on the phone calling for an ambulance. You notice that they are a paramedic as they show you their ID but they refuse to help you because after all, they are not at work so their expected behaviour at work doesn't come into it.

Wouldn't you put a complaint later and not accept that because they were not working, their work ethic and responsibilities didn't apply and they had no duty to check you weren't dying and that their only duty was that of a normal civilian by reporting the accident?

Janey33

FBaby wrote: »

So say that you got seriously injured in the accident, the other person didn't. They looked at you bleeding and screaming in pain whilst on the phone calling for an ambulance. You notice that they are a paramedic as they show you their ID but they refuse to help you because after all, they are not at work so their expected behaviour at work doesn't come into it.

Wouldn't you put a complaint later and not accept that because they were not working, their work ethic and responsibilities didn't apply and they had no duty to check you weren't dying and that their only duty was that of a normal civilian by reporting the accident?

I did deal with it professionally.. up to the point where I was bullied and felt under attack.
I wish I'd driven off and waited around the corner till I could go home. Hindsight is lovely isn't it

Janey33

Piscean1991 wrote: »

I would imagine it was your ID which gave you away as police staff.

I think, especially where you work ID also opens door systems, it's so easy to forget to take it off so I have sympathy for you there. I always have mine on until I get home because I need it to get out of the building and it's drilled into us that leaving stuff like that in our cars can compromise the security of the school.

How do you know there's been a complaint to your work? Have the man and his dad said they're complaining or has a manager actually informed you?

People make a lot of empty threats when they're angry, or worse trying to intimidate you, and I'd imagine tempers are running high. It's going to be hard to backtrack but I think from now on, you need to make sure any communications you have to have with them are calm and measured. Surely it should be up to insurance companies now anyway? Why was his dad phoning you at all?

If there is a complaint made.. If you were out of order, and I suspect you'll know if you were, you're going to need to be honest about it. Explain your actions, say that you're not seeking to justify them but at the time, you felt x, y and z and that you feel they were also trying to intimidate you.

Bosses are human too and I think most people would be angry in your situation. They'll just want to know that it's not going to happen again and that you understand what went wrong. You might get a warning but I doubt anything more severe.

Thankyou, yes my ID let's me out of work and I tend to leave it on till im home.
The damage is minor so the lads dad called me following contact I made once I had a quote, this contact was the agreed way to move forward on the day...
The dad was angry, and said he'd be making a complaint..
This was two weeks ago that the accident happened.
Iv heard nothing, but don't know if that's normal as not been in this situation before.

To be honest I'm a non confrontational person, I was so angry and upset i can hardly remember what was said. But I know categorically I wouldn't ever have made any threats.
However if he felt intimidated i can understand, that's how his colleagues made me feel

Kynthia

Talk to the union but try not to panic and get too stressed. Yes your behaviour outside of work can lead to disciplinary action or even dismissal but your employers also know that people make malicious complaints or that incidents can be 'he said/she said' with little evidence.

If you aren't arrested, charged or accepting a caution then your employer can't know that you've done anything wrong. The complaint usnt about your work so i cant see how they could investigate what happened.

ttoli

Did you complete an Incident report at work ? , used to be known as form 715, I'd suggest a quiet word with a fed rep / line Manager or Sgt.

Good luck

Piscean1991

Your workplace would likely have told you by now if any such complaint had been made.

It might be that he rang up and was essentially told that it wasn't a matter for your workplace to deal with. If that is the case, you'll probably never be told. One of my old managers said they received complaints about out of work conduct which were clearly rooted in malice from members of the public so regularly that not only did he not take action, he also didn't see the need to inform the staff member concerned due to the unnecessary worry it might cause them. Bosses aren't stupid at all times - yes, your conduct was a little bit silly but also fairly understandable in the circumstances and getting a bit stroppy (while unprofessional) doesn't actually affect your ability to do your job or the clearances you need in order to do it.

Two weeks is a long time to be worrying about this sort of thing. It's unlikely that he's made a complaint and if he makes one now, it will look like it's being done with malicious intent. What other purpose would it serve so long after the incident? The fact Dad wasn't actually present will also make it fairly unlikely that he could get very far with a complaint about your behaviour - is the young lad about to put in a complaint after he's hit your car? Probably not.

In the unlikely event that one of them has made a complaint, your managers clearly do not consider it serious or they would have spoken to you by now. Let it go and focus on getting the car sorted and moving on from the incident.

xapprenticex

Ha, im sure you gave as good as you got, hence the complaint, no point doing the 'butter wouldn't melt' act here :money:

The issue is you should know better as far as conduct on the street goes, if it wasnt for you being a police officer I doubt he would have even bothered complaining but you WILL be held to a higher level or accountability and rightly so.

I doubt you'll get sacked but I'm sure you'll learn from this.

Janey33 wrote: »

It was all fine till he went into his work place, when it happened I was parked waiting for my partner.
Unfortunately down the rd from work so my Id was on.. my mistake.

He crashed into me,reversed to leave.. so I got out and snapped pic of his plate... at which point he pulled into another spot.
He got out apologetic and we exchanged details... he goes into work. 2mins later im still in car waiting..
He and two men come out and very aggressively tell me to leave that its old damage etc. One of the men was up close to me trying to scare me away..
So I get back in my car.. still waiting for my partner.

Then the men came out again minus the young lad.. so I walked past them to the shop hes working in and tried to talk to him..
Yes I was scared and angry and I raised my voice but I was never threatening.

I'm not making excuses for myself, but I an a little worried as this is the first time something like this has happened to me.

Janey33 wrote: »

The only cctv available is that from inside the shop.
Luckily during the 2nd onslaught from the two males my partner appeared.
So I had at least one person on my side

Janey33

xapprenticex wrote: »

Ha, im sure you gave as good as you got, hence the complaint, no point doing the 'butter wouldn't melt' act here :money:

The issue is you should know better as far as conduct on the street goes, if it wasnt for you being a police officer I doubt he would have even bothered complaining but you WILL be held to a higher level or accountability and rightly so.

I doubt you'll get sacked but I'm sure you'll learn from this.

I'm not a police officer. And i don't know if there is a complaint.. but your right i have learnt a valuable lesson