the snap general election thread

A_Medium_Size_Jock

This from the Standard re: the IPSOS MORI poll:

• Six in 10 say Labour is not ready to govern — including a quarter of Labour voters.
• Mrs May is the only main party leader with whom more people say they are satisfied than dissatisfied.
• Gloom on the economy has deepened: 43 per cent think it will get worse and only 27 per cent better.
• Mrs May leads almost two to one as “most capable prime minister”.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/uk-general-election-poll-jeremy-corbyns-labour-makes-major-eight-point-gain-on-tories-after-a3542256.html


(From 1053 phone polls.)

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

Well, Tory manifesto day is proving to be manna from heaven for Labour. Latest announcements, axing free school meals (well that's nice, we thought they had identified almost every possible expenditure that protected the vulnerable to axe, but they've found one that was hiding) and.... fracking.


Yes my jaw dropped at that tool. In my True Blue Home County if there is one thing that unites people in fury and has WI maams looking for a bulldozer to padlock themselves to, it's the prospect of the English countryside being fracked.

Well, yes. Any fule no that coal mines and other unsightly stuff belong in the north.

Arklight

setmefree2 wrote: »

Yes. Turns out he's neither Liberal or Democratic.

Yes, very peculiar choice of leader.

michaels

Tories propose:

Reducing the amount rich people can pass on to their children if they benefit from state funded care in retirement

Stopping giving free money to rich pensioners to heat their swimming pools (winter fuel allowance)

Stopping giving free meals to school children who's parents can afford to pay for them.

All of these seem to be about fairness, redistribution and all those other things that Labour claim for their own.

And yet the Labour supporters on this thread have jumped on them with glee as examples of 'mean Tories' that will lose the party votes. The later I can see, the former is a little bit rich.

michaels

cogito wrote: »

Well, yes. Any fule no that coal mines and other unsightly stuff belong in the north.

I wonder how many hours of the power being off and not being able to charge their iPhones it would take for these social warriors to be marching on the govt demanding that fracking is carried out....

Arklight

michaels wrote: »

Tories propose:

Reducing the amount rich people can pass on to their children if they benefit from state funded care in retirement

Stopping giving free money to rich pensioners to heat their swimming pools (winter fuel allowance)

Stopping giving free meals to school children who's parents can afford to pay for them.

All of these seem to be about fairness, redistribution and all those other things that Labour claim for their own.

And yet the Labour supporters on this thread have jumped on them with glee as examples of 'mean Tories' that will lose the party votes. The later I can see, the former is a little bit rich.

Apart from the school lunches (which you are misrepresenting) I'm not against the other policies, they just seem a bit of a peculiar choice to roll out just before a GE considering they mostly will annoy older Tory voters.


The devil is in the detail though. The Tories are good at providing people with notional rights and making it impossible for them to claim them. As in the case of Personal Independence Payments, and employment tribunals, so I expect many legitimately poor pensioners will be quite anxious about how they will actually claim their fuel allowances when the means testing comes in.


School dinners are being replaced by breakfast clubs, which few parents will bother, or be able to arrange bringing their kids in early for. Means testing will be introduced for hot lunches but again, as Nick Clegg points out today:


“4 in 10 kids who DIDN'T receive free lunches prior to infant provision were officially in poverty. So much for compassionate Conservatives.”


This also feeds into the Right's neat assumption that failing children are doing it on purpose. It's precisely the kids who's parents don't bother filling out the forms and who are sent in with a Snickers and a packet of crisps who most need hot lunches, and won't get them.

Conrad

Arklight wrote: »

they just seem a bit of a peculiar choice to roll out just before a GE considering they mostly will annoy older Tory voters.

True and tough leadership is about taking tough choices and risks

Conrad

Kantar has topline figures of CON 47%(+3),LAB 29%(+1), LDEM 8%(-3), UKIP 6%(-2). (tabs)




Where's the big LD Remainer surge?

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

True and tough leadership is about taking tough choices and risks

Wait, true and tough? I thought it was strong and stable? Has the Conservative Party Alliteration Policy done a U turn today too?


:-D

StevieJ

Conrad wrote: »

His speech last night had a rousing passage about giving the people the final say.


What an utter con, as his aim would be for the people to agree to Brussels having the final say on many aspects of British law and life thereafter, what an utter cheek to imply citizens democracy is his foremost concern. What kind of sheeple fall for this?

Presumably the same ones who fell for the Tripe from your lot :-)