the snap general election thread

Fella

chucknorris wrote: »

I've only just started becoming aware of how cheap and nasty it is becoming, from recent events like far left activists using the grief of others to jump on the bandwagon and organise protests, and calling our prime minister amongst other things a murderer. I don't think she is much good at the job, but she doesn't deserve that. You can't get much cheaper and nastier than that.

It's effectively hate speech & presumably illegal.

It would certainly be illegal to tweet something like that, people are being prosecuted regularly for doing so no. So I don't see how it's any different to write it on a banner. Worse if anything.

About time the Mayor started doing his job & cracking down.

chucknorris

Fella wrote: »

It's effectively hate speech & presumably illegal.

It would certainly be illegal to tweet something like that, people are being prosecuted regularly for doing so no. So I don't see how it's any different to write it on a banner. Worse if anything.

About time the Mayor started doing his job & cracking down.

I've only just recently realised what Corbyn is, hopefully he won't be able to conceal it for much longer. He is destroying the Labour party, a while ago I didn't think that was such a bad thing, but I've come around on that too, I hope that they can cleanse the Labour party of him, before he destroys them.

PixelPound

FrankieBoyle wrote: »

Lakanal House happened on Labour's watch.

Did anybody blame Gordon Brown and the 12 years of Blair's government?

What these both have in common is they had both undergone recent refurbishments. Was there one before those that lessons should have been learnt from? If not then that's probably why there was no govt blame at the time. The inquest found that the exterior cladding panels allowed the fire to spread rapidly, just as it happened with Glenfell 8 years later.
The question should be why lessons weren't learnt, what needs to be done to ensure it can't happen again. If it turns out the recommendations were never acted upon, then that needs to be exposed.

An investigation needs to happen, but what type will we get: one that aims to get findings out fairly quickly so they can be acted upon, or one that allows everyone to have their say, upturn every stone and take many years to conclude.

PixelPound

chucknorris wrote: »

I've only just recently realised what Corbyn is, hopefully he won't be able to conceal it for much longer. He is destroying the Labour party, a while ago I didn't think that was such a bad thing, but I've come around on that too, I hope that they can cleanse the Labour party of him, before he destroys them.

The nasty left wing has always been inside the labour party. Whilst some went off to socialist minority parties many stay within. Now that Corbyn has been elected they think now is their time.

Tromking

The usual exercise in obfuscation by some on here. At the heart of this issue is not the alleged unreasonable politicisation of this tragedy by Corbyn and his acolytes, it is whether as a result of political decisions made locally and at national level and perhaps more pertinently the result of a longstanding culture of dangerous penny pinching it turned from a run of the mill fire in flat to a national disaster.
Some people need to take a long look at themselves, this is bigger than factional party politics.

hallmark

Tromking wrote: »

The usual exercise in obfuscation by some on here. At the heart of this issue is not the alleged unreasonable politicisation of this tragedy by Corbyn and his acolytes, it is whether as a result of political decisions made locally and at national level and perhaps more pertinently the result of a longstanding culture of dangerous penny pinching it turned from a run of the mill fire in flat to a national disaster.
Some people need to take a long look at themselves, this is bigger than factional party politics.

If you think that's the heart of the issue ("whether as a result of political decisions made locally and at national level and perhaps more pertinently the result of a longstanding culture of dangerous penny pinching it turned from a run of the mill fire in flat to a national disaster") then waiting for the findings of the public enquiry is the only course of action & Corbyn politicizing the issue is very pertinent and wrong and should be highlighted as such.

We can all see he's trying to topple the Government over this, let's not mince around the issue. His supporters are desperately hoping he'll be allowed to get away with it. It should be highlighted at every opportunity for what it is.

Tromking

hallmark wrote: »

If you think that's the heart of the issue ("whether as a result of political decisions made locally and at national level and perhaps more pertinently the result of a longstanding culture of dangerous penny pinching it turned from a run of the mill fire in flat to a national disaster") then waiting for the findings of the public enquiry is the only course of action & Corbyn politicizing the issue is very pertinent and wrong and should be highlighted as such.

We can all see he's trying to topple the Government over this, let's not mince around the issue. His supporters are desperately hoping he'll be allowed to get away with it. It should be highlighted at every opportunity for what it is.

An elected representative has the right and even the duty to make political capital out of anything they choose, he/she is not there to play nicely.The public will be the arbiter of whether Corbyn is being unreasonable or not.
I'd be interested for you to define how Corbyn is trying to "topple the
Government". I don't particularly like the odious Corbyn but he strikes me as democrat, rather than a revolutionary.
The Opposition parties and our free press will not quietly wait until the findings of public enquiry are made known in couple of years, and quite rightly so.

hallmark

Been reading a little on the KCTMO who run the building & are being held responsible for certain decisions that were made. An evil Tory organization you may wonder? Actually they have 15 people on the board, of which 8, including the Chair & both vice-chairs, are residents.

http://www.kctmo.org.uk/sub/about-us/20/the-board

Emma Dent Coad, the newly-elected Labour MP is a former board member of KCTMO.

Still we all know that K&C Council is an evil Tory council yeah? Well, just looked up the Ward the building is in. Turns out it's a Labour ward

https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/council/wards/welcome-notting-dale-ward

Unlike the people weaponizing this tragedy I don't suggest either the KCTMO or the Labour councillors for that ward did anything wrong. As has been pointed out from the start, nobody really knows what caused the fire, or what caused it to spread, let alone who was responsible for those causes.

However don't expect Corbyn or any of his followers to mention the above points anytime soon. They're too busy making banners that say May has blood on her hands.

PixelPound

After the Manchester terror event, Corbyn politicised it, and now after the fire, Corbyn raised questions. The question is has he used them very quickly when emotions are raw, and should he have waited an appropriate time.

Is he trying to topple the government? Yes, he is the leader of the opposition and should be scrutinising them and using opportunities to destabilise them. The opposition shouldn't simply wait knowing their time will come, it's to put forward their ideals and oppose all govt actions that are in conflict with those ideals.

hallmark

Tromking wrote: »

An elected representative has the right and even the duty to make political capital out of anything they choose, he/she is not there to play nicely.The public will be the arbiter of whether Corbyn is being unreasonable or not.

Well actually there is such a thing as decency, which would prohibit most people outside of Corbyn & his followers from repeatedly weaponizing tragedies the day after they happen.

However as you say, ultimately the public will pass judgement on him, & we can only hope that he gets what he deserves.