the snap general election thread

Yah_Boo_Sux

masterwilde wrote: »

serious question, if tories scrao through with less than a majority of 6 or get a hung parliament, will theresa may remain at the top? or will the party call for her resignation?

It won't happen but if it did, yes they should call for her resignation IMHO.

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Arklight wrote: »

You appear to be conflating struggling dairy farmers in Wilshire with people living in mansions in Surrey. A land tax taxes people by the value of their land, not the amount of it.

Your dairy farmer would struggle a lot less under a Labour government than a Tory one. He or she would have access to loans from a national investment bank to develop his struggling business and tax breaks to offset the cost of wages that he had to pay while he was growing.

Ignoring the pure delusional...

I am not conflating. You are.

So how will the land tax affect the dairy farmer who has an average of 81 hectares with a U.K. Average UK value of 17k plus per hectare?
https://dairy.ahdb.org.uk/market-information/farm-expenses/land-prices/land-prices-rics/#.WTb37oXTWEc

What tax breaks will you offer?

How will borrowing more money save him ?

Seems to be a Labour solution to everything.

kinger101

wotsthat wrote: »

Labour overall majority I'm looking at 18/1 on Betfair right now. Not sure what I'm missing.

You're looking at the sportsbook rather than the exchange.

GreatApe

Arklight wrote: »

You appear to be conflating struggling dairy farmers in Wilshire with people living in mansions in Surrey. A land tax taxes people by the value of their land, not the amount of it.

Your dairy farmer would struggle a lot less under a Labour government than a Tory one. He or she would have access to loans from a national investment bank to develop his struggling business and tax breaks to offset the cost of wages that he had to pay while he was growing.

If he was sick, there would be an NHS for him to use, if he had kids there would be a school that isn't going to lose £898 per child of funding for him to send his kids to. If those kids were of university age they would go for nothing, rather than incurring £50k in debt.

If he couldn't work through ill health there would be disability benefits for him and he would be treated with dignity rather than with heartlessness and disrespect as the Tories treat the vulnerable in their appalling PIP assessments that are driving people to suicide.

If God forbid he lost his farm and had to sell it there would be secure council housing for him and his family to move into, rather than a council bedsit or the streets.

and if he and his wife worked hard and long for a combined 90 years and managed to save £1m during that time how much of it will dear leader want before they could hand it over to their kids?

Arklight

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

If we go to another country that does not speak English then we have to pay for translation etc . Our NHS alone has to spend £59K a day on translation.

OK, there are some expat communities that have grown in other countries, but they normally include things like schools, doctors etc. It normally involves people that have no intention of staying in that country long term.

Of course the difference is that a lot of people in other countries speak English, whatever the desire of Tusk.

If I go to a foreign country I make sure I can get by in the local language but often get spoken to in English.

What i am talking about is the people that come here and will not allow their families to speak English for fear of them integrating into the community. I know for a fact that Nepalese men of the older generation will not allow the women to speak English. This means they have no life of their own outside the Nepalese community.

In Spain and parts of the South of France there are whole ghettos of Brits surrounded by bangers and mash cafes, fish and chip shops and grocery stores where everything is imported from Tesco. They live in virtual gated communities where all of them together couldn't put together a sentence in anything other than English.

They use the French and Spanish NHS in spite of never having paid a penny into them. hire British contractors to fix their villas and mow their gardens without even getting a quote from a local and expect the local government to communicate to them in English when they're arranging their bin collections.

And then there are many that don't and wouldn't go near a British ghetto. If you have immigration you will have different types of people.

I don't agree with people who don't allow their family members to speak English. I think that a condition of a visa for closed cultures should be mandatory English classes for women where they can ostensibly learn English away from their husbands, but also feedback about what is happening to them, flag extremism, and be put in touch with help and women's services if they want to leave.

Of course there is no money for this under the Tories and women's services and shelters are closing left right and centre. Maybe the 20,000 unemployed police officers can volunteer, although that would probably make them unavailable for work and then they'd have their benefits sanctioned.

economic

GreatApe wrote: »

and if he and his wife worked hard and long for a combined 90 years and managed to save £1m during that time how much of it will dear leader want before they could hand it over to their kids?

or even how much of it can they keep themselves to enjoy before being taxed away even before they die.

Arklight

GreatApe wrote: »

and if he and his wife worked hard and long for a combined 90 years and managed to save £1m during that time how much of it will dear leader want before they could hand it over to their kids?

About £999,000 less than Theresa May's Death Tax will take off him.

GreatApe

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

Ignoring the pure delusional...

I am not conflating. You are.

So how will the land tax affect the dairy farmer who has an average of 81 hectares with a U.K. Average UK value of 17k plus per hectare?
https://dairy.ahdb.org.uk/market-information/farm-expenses/land-prices/land-prices-rics/#.WTb37oXTWEc

What tax breaks will you offer?

How will borrowing more money save him ?

Seems to be a Labour solution to everything.

sometimes theses kids think they were the first to think of everything, a land tax has been talked about for a hundred years and never makes it into reality as it brings up too many problems

Business rates is of course very close to a land value tax applied to many business properties everything from shops to offices to car parks. Council tax to some extent is a local property tax.

kinger101

posh*spice wrote: »

Ruth Davidson has looked amazing! I'd have her as future leader of all the conservatives (not just scotland)

25/1 with Coral. You'd have to wait a long time for the result, but I think that's a great price. A solid performer, and likely less baggage than the favourites.

GreatApe

Arklight wrote: »

About £999,000 less than Theresa May's Death Tax will take off him.

BS

The tories wont tax estates upto £1million

korbin and co will put the nil rate band for a couple at £425,000 or very likely even lower than that. Its quite possible that they will also increase the tax from 40% to 45% or even 50%

I would say someone leaving a £1 million estate is quite likely to pay as much as £350,000 more in death tax if this labor government gets in

Something the media just did not talk about at all. Yet this will impact far more families far greater than the tory u turned idea of people paying for their own care