the snap general election thread

IveSeenTheLight

ThinkingOutLoud wrote: »

With respect, you are not exactly holding back and yet you are the one who cited two completely incompatible numbers. So every criticism being an autobiography....

So your new source talks about total policy workers - not feet on street or firearms officers with the right training for today's threat.

What we need to understand is if the use of better technology - better trained officers means we have better capability or not after that. Just as we can note their are around 700 more highly trained firearms offices this year, than last.

e.g. I'll bet 8 SAS men against your 30 regular army.

This is a debate forum, debate the post, question the statistics, but no need to go shouting out or making "Dianne Abbott" accusations when we can get to the root of the issue with discussion

My point stands that in an era where we face increased risk of attack and increased risk to our security, the Conservative governments leadership and much as the Home Secretary at the time, this government has opted to cut almost 20% of the Police Officers or Police Total Workforce (in the wider context;)).

That's great leadership

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Oh dear.

Seems Theresa May was warned by Manchester police officers about the impact of her cuts.

And dismissed it as 'scaremongering'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al2F1bkXAK0

That's fairly shocking...

IveSeenTheLight

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Oh dear.

Seems Theresa May was warned by Manchester police officers about the impact of her cuts.

And dismissed it as 'scaremongering'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al2F1bkXAK0

That's fairly shocking...

That is indeed truly shocking.
Again, not a good indication of leadership.

So since the Conservatives formed the government, in 2010, they have reduced the numbers by just under 20%, meanwhile in Scotland, they have maintained the available resources (checked between March 2014 and March 2017)

michaels

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Yes, lets consider the facts

Violent crime rising in England and Wales, police figures show



There's a lot more reds and than greens there, so depends which statistic you want to use to manipulate your view.

It does not appear in this context that we are living in a safer society under this Conservative government

Using statistics as a drunk uses a lampost?

'Under TM' is since 2010 when it comes to Police numbers but only since 2015 when it comes to violent crime statistics?

Thrugelmir

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

My point stands that in an era where we face increased risk of attack and increased risk to our security, the Conservative governments leadership and much as the Home Secretary at the time, this government has opted to cut almost 20% of the Police Officers or Police Total Workforce (in the wider context;)).

How would you deploy these additional officers in order to reduce the threat of terrorism though?

IveSeenTheLight

michaels wrote: »

Using statistics as a drunk uses a lampost?

'Under TM' is since 2010 when it comes to Police numbers but only since 2015 when it comes to violent crime statistics?

What are you trying to say, that violent crime has not increased?

I'd hazard a guess they have an impact.

why not reference the violent crime in 2010 to today then?

kabayiri

Robocop...

...is the answer.

I can't believe Hamish missed it

Fitting people on the watch list with internal GPS trackers would also make it easier and less resource intensive to monitor.

IveSeenTheLight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

How would you deploy these additional officers in order to reduce the threat of terrorism though?

I think you missed the point.
If England and Wales had maintained the levels of support, there may have been a better opportunity to mitigate some of the attacks and rises in crime we have seen.

Hamish's post should speak volumes

IveSeenTheLight

Back to the polls

According to latest YouGov poll the Tories are now 21 seats short of a majority with Labour just 37 behind

https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/

today’s update includes 8,095 interviews conducted on 4th June

kabayiri

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I think you missed the point.
If England and Wales had maintained the levels of support, there may have been a better opportunity to mitigate some of the attacks and rises in crime we have seen.
...

Pure speculation then.

Believe me, if there were more police then they would have got allocated out to all the differing priorities.

Fracking protests ? <-- police
Football matches ? <-- police
Madeline McCann investigation #592 <-- police

It's only in the last 3 months that terrorism has really entered the public consciousness. Before that, we had a better record than the countries on the continent.

It feels a bit like revisionism.

Police resourcing should always be about evolving threats and demand.