the snap general election thread

kabayiri

setmefree2 wrote: »

I worry about this. Not because I'm anti refugee but because so many other Brits are.

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If you're a biscuit packer or chippy in Rotherham, and you think someone/some people have come along and stolen your job, or undercut your rates, then do you really care where the competitor came from?

It could be Romania, Poland, or Chesterfield. It makes no difference.

You're still hacked off, and wanting to blame someone.

To comfort you, educated liberals from the rich Londinium then ring in to radio shows and write articles to tell you how these job-pinchers are harder working and conscientious and miracle workers.

Just to rub your nose in it, you understand

setmefree2

kabayiri wrote: »

Can I refer to the Reverend Paul Weller for the reality which underpins this election.

"The public gets what the public wants".

We want politics like instant coffee. Just add hot water and stir.

"But I don't get what this society wants"

Last year the public wanted Brexit. This year year they seem to want some sort of socialist utopia....

setmefree2

Filo25 wrote: »

Its a major problem for the Labour manifesto, the proposed tax rises won't remotely pay for what they are promising in the medium term, and you sense the current Labour front bench will only want to offer more giveaways in future.

Ideologically the core of that front bench believes that pretty much everything gets better with more government involvement, and you don't sense most of them could care less about the deficit away from some soundbites for electoral purposes.

That isn't even a general comment about Labour, more a reflection of the Corbyn wing of the party.

I'm 55 - if the LP come after my salary in a big way - I will just retire.

Moby

alewin wrote: »

Maybe Corbyn was speaking about himself when he said that the UK's foreign policy is somehow to blame for the terrorist threat in this country. Is that why he supported the IRA's bombing of the UK mainland because of what the British Army was doing in Northern Ireland?

Still can't believe that someone like him can be leader of a main UK political party.

What is your evidence that Corbyn supported the IRA bombing of the UK mainland?

setmefree2

kabayiri wrote: »

To comfort you, educated liberals from the rich Londinium then ring in to radio shows and write articles to tell you how these job-pinchers are harder working and conscientious and miracle workers.

Just to rub your nose in it, you understand

I'm afraid I hold those neo-liberal economic views on migration.

However, I have been educated over the past twelve months. I now see the error of my ways.

Doesn't look like immigration is a major issue in this election - seems to be all about the NHS and social care?

oh and attacking "the rich"

kabayiri

There has been an echo chamber on LBC for the last hour, asking why May called this election.

It didn't occur to Mr O'Brien to ask someone from the Tories. He'd rather get people to ring in and jeer for an hour.

If your flavour is right wing, then you can just choose Nick Ferrari instead.

I never ever respond to political posts on FB, judging it to be a lost cause.

Not trying to puff you lot up, but there is genuinely still some semblance of debate on here...sometimes

kabayiri

setmefree2 wrote: »

I'm afraid I hold those neo-liberal economic views on migration.

However, I have been educated over the past twelve months. I now see the error of my ways.
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We are all partisan to some extent. But it would be daft to not expect people to kick back now and then.

If we really want cheap workers who are happy to live 5 to a room in bedsits, then why not get them from India and Africa, and pay them a pound an hour plus food/lodgings. It's just an extension of the EE worker philosophy.

westernpromise

On another website that I was reading this morning someone worked out that the people Labour wants to target with tax rises, those on over £80k, are only 3% of taxpayers and number only 900,000 people; and if you took every penny over £80k from them, you'd only get £38 billion.

As the current deficit even on Conservative plans is > £50 billion, it is clear that "the rich" don't earn enough to fix the current deficit never mind fund anything else that has been promised on top. You wouldn't ever get £38 billion either, of course, because if you tried to take it all they'd just choose to earn less. It would make no difference to them as they'd be keeping none of it anyway. The same applies to corporation tax of course: the targets would just incorporate elsewhere.

You'd need to move along the Laffer curve, meaning you'd need a much lower rate and thus a much lower income level for it to kick in.

Labour's plans thus can't be funded by income or corporation taxes. So they'd have to levy them on something else. The inescapable logic is that they'll have to start expropriating people.

steampowered

westernpromise wrote: »

On another website that I was reading this morning someone worked out that the people Labour wants to target with tax rises, those on over £80k, are only 3% of taxpayers and number only 900,000 people; and if you took every penny over £80k from them, you'd only get £38 billion.

Labour projected that their income tax increase would raise £6.4 billion, not £38 billion. Details here: http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/Images/manifesto-2017/Funding%20Britain%27s%20Future.PDF.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

A word from Sky News on polls:

A recent statement by Professor John Curtice in his role as President of the British Polling Council reports on the steps being taken by the different polling companies for this election.
And that's the point. They all appear to be doing something slightly different to correct the previous problems encountered two years ago.
There is no doubt that Mrs May's decision to call a snap election has taken the industry by surprise. Those conducting the polls probably needed more time to road-test the changes.
It is hardly surprising, therefore, that against this background there are large variations in the evidence.

http://news.sky.com/story/glory-or-ignominy-for-theresa-may-the-polls-cant-decide-10899757