the snap general election thread

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

I give up.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/07/if-you-voted-for-brexit-youre-not-going-to-like-this-6433145/

Hurrah!
Though I suspect you won't give up at all.
Because just when it seemed you could not stoop any lower ......... you go ahead and do just that!
Still, since Scots voted by a majority to remain we must be better-educated than most of you English eh?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

kabayiri wrote: »

Well, I lie to pollsters for one.

I think giving pollsters airtime increases the chances of voters in specific areas/demographics being treated like statistical entries in a campaign database.

People are generally not truthful in these matters.
We aren't good at estimating - it's like a "how big was that fish/spider syndrome.
Doctor asking patient "How much do you smoke/drink?" is just one example - and that's when health may well be at stake!
Not I hasten to add that is necessarily deliberate to under-estimate or that everybody does - but it does seem to be quite common.

Arklight

Fella wrote: »

I may often come across as anti-corbyn. That's because I am

I think he's a disgusting excuse for a person.

He does however, have his fans on here. I wonder how they feel about him accepting £5,000 a pop to appear on Iranian state TV (including an appearance months after said channel had been banned by OfCom for airing a forced confession (nothing like a bit of torture eh lads?))

This is a matter of public record (Corbyn lists the payments in his HoC register of interests). it's also not disputed by Corbyn's team, who's official response is "We don't comment on historical matters" They missed out the rest of that sentence, which would be "as they prove what a scumbag Corbyn is & we're desperately trying to pretend he's a kindly old headmaster type".


http://uk.businessinsider.com/jeremy-corbyn-paid-iran-press-tv-tortured-journalist-2016-6

There are two points you, consistently, fail to understand.

The first is that there have been so many lies printed about Jeremy Corbyn that people simply ignore anti Corbyn bias now. As you are probably well aware, the LSE conducted a study that determined that 75% of news is biased against Corbyn.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html#gallery

If your media wanted people to start believing them now them it should have kept its powder dry a little more, because no one is really listening any more. People's minds are either closed that he's a dreadful person because the media says so (as yours seems to be), and ignore new stories. Or they just ignore new stories because they switched off when Sky News pontificated that Jeremy Corbyn's cat was a communist sympathiser two years ago, because it has a foreign sounding name.

I did click on your link, it's devoid of context and fails to convey anything he said on Iranian TV or why he might have gone. It doesn't say whether he could expense the trip, whether he passionately advocated women's rights. Nothing. Maybe he did pocket the £5k and used it to buy guns for the IRA. Maybe he bought a few airfares for him and his staff and a week in an hotel.

Maybe his communist cat needed to go in a cattery.

The second, much more problematic fact for your political ilk, and another one that sails over your heads, is that most of us just don't care. We aren't communists, terrorists, or extremist cat owners. We are voting for ourselves and he seems like a decent man who reflects what we want to vote for.

We're sick of seeing rich men in £1000 shirts shaking their heads at us from the television and explaining that like it or not we just have to get poorer every year.

Corbyn is our two fingers.

Enjoy.

V

kabayiri

Arklight wrote: »

..
Corbyn is our two fingers.
...

I thought Corbyn was going to make a fist of it in this election?

You're 3 digits short!

How can I trust his judgement when he picks Diane Abbott?

Thrugelmir

Arklight wrote: »

The first is that there have been so many lies printed about Jeremy Corbyn that people simply ignore anti Corbyn bias now.

Corbyn's views are clearly and accurately reported in Hansard. Along with his voting history. One suspects that some are using him as a mule for their own objectives. Fortunately being in the minority. The time will pass and Corbyn will disappear into list of has beens. .

Fella

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Corbyn's views are clearly and accurately reported in Hansard. Along with his voting history. One suspects that some are using him as a mule for their own objectives. .

Although it's true that he's surrounded by some real low-lives, I think we should avoid any temptation to think that Corbyn is some kind of well-meaning type who's being manipulated by the hard left.

He's a nasty piece of work. He welcomed terrorists to the HoC when any decent person would have puked at the very idea. Even if they thought the concept was acceptable few would have been so vile as to actually do it.

33 years later he's proved he hasn't changed one iota with his truly disgusting comments this morning. Not many politicians are up to much, but you have to be a special kind of filth to do what he's done today.

It's not new news, but it bears repeating in the circumstances:

The editorial board of a hard-Left magazine, of which Mr Corbyn was a member, wrote an article praising the Brighton bombing. In its article on the IRA attack, which almost wiped out Margaret Thatcher’s Cabinet, the editorial board of London Labour Briefing said the atrocity showed that “the British only sit up and take notice [of Ireland] when they are bombed into it.”

Moby

Fella wrote: »

Excellent article that sums it up better than I could:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/jeremy-corbyn-politicising-islamist-murder/

This ones much better:-
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/this-is-the-worst-tory-election-campaign-ever/

'Theresa May has the personal warmth, wit, oratorical ability and attractiveness of an Indesit fridge-freezer which has been faultily connected by a man called Trevor for five quid, cash in hand, and which is now full of decomposing Findus Crispy Pancakes. There is no vision, there is no chutzpah. Just the bland repetition of meaningless phrases. Corbyn is a far better campaigner.'

Moby

Thrugelmir wrote: »

No one is telling anyone what to do. People are quite capable of making their own minds up. Voting for who they choose.

So Naive. Of course people are being told what to do....... Murdoch, Dacre, Barclay Bros. etc. The establishment hates Corbyn and will do anything to smear him. Look at how much money has been pumped into the tory party this election!

Fella

Moby wrote: »

So Naive. Of course people are being told what to do....... Murdoch, Dacre, Barclay Bros. etc. The establishment hates Corbyn and will do anything to smear him. Look at how much money has been pumped into the tory party this election!

Corbyn is an MP, the leader of the opposition, he lives in a house worth more than a million pounds, he earns £125,000 a year, he went to grammar school, he gets paid £5k a pop to have a chat on Iranian state TV.

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michaels

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Corbyn's views are clearly and accurately reported in Hansard. Along with his voting history. One suspects that some are using him as a mule for their own objectives. Fortunately being in the minority. The time will pass and Corbyn will disappear into list of has beens. .

Corbyn consistently voted against his own party. To me this is like being in a football team but refusing to play the tactics all the other players have agreed on. Whether he was right and they were wrong is not the issue, the problem is an unwillingness to accept democracy. I don't go to work every day and, because I don't think my employer is doing the right thing, proceed to do whatever I want but that is exactly Mr Corbyn's attitude, if anyone disagrees with him they are wrong and he will do what he wants.

To me this is a dangerous character flaw, worse than Broon and his uncontrolled rage at hapless underlings.