Housing Association not managing its residents and impact on private owners/residents

Pixie5740

sebtomato wrote: »

We have had a residents association for a long time, and the HA landlord is indeed part of it. Does not make any difference, they are not taking many actions to deal with their tenants.

I didn't ask if you had included the HA in your residents association I asked if you included the social housing residents, you know the people who actually live in the same building as the residents you think are causing all the trouble.

Anyone can take legal action against anyone else for any reason they like. It's if the case has any chance of being successful that's important and to know that you'll need to get paid for legal advice.

Davesnave

Pixie5740 wrote: »

Anyone can take legal action against anyone else for any reason they like. It's if the case has any chance of being successful that's important and to know that you'll need to get paid for legal advice.

Although it's not too hard to imagine the answer to this:

"Could we for instance claim that property prices are affected by their lack of management?"

Claim it by all means, but prove or quantify it?

As the OP says himself:
"this is a very nice estate, in a very nice location. Would be very hard to find something similar elsewhere, and any development would have its share of HA anyway."

Norman_Castle

sebtomato wrote: »

I am sure there are many other examples of a few HA tenants creating trouble to other HA tenants and private residents, and the HA doing very little to address this.

HAs will get involved when they have problem tenants but they have no powers to police peoples behaviour. Ultimately their only option is eviction which can be expensive for them to take tenants to court (I've been told £2500, not sure if that's right) and eviction will only be granted for serious problems and not for minor anti social behaviour and certainly not for supposedly devaluing the area.

45002

sebtomato wrote:

That's correct, I have posted something similar before, but didn't really get advice on where we stand legally and what actions we can take...

http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?79024-Housing-Association-not-managing-its-residents-and-impact-on-private-owners-residents

csgohan4

sebtomato wrote: »

We are getting a solicitor, but I was interested in other people's experience in dealing with similar issues. I am sure there are many other examples of a few HA tenants creating trouble to other HA tenants and private residents, and the HA doing very little to address this.

Surely, we are not the only ones in the UK dealing with such issues.

Ultimately you have no control over other tenants and indeed what the HA do about them.

What you have control over is to move to place that is more suitable for you. If you have lived there for 3 years plus, then it isn't that big of a problem??

ReadingTim

sebtomato wrote: »

That's correct, I have posted something similar before, but didn't really get advice on where we stand legally and what actions we can take...

What you meant to say is that yes, you have posted before, but didn't get the answers you wanted to hear, so thought you'd post again in the vain hope that something would change.

Well, it hasn't. Legally, you don't have a leg to stand on. Any action you try and take would be a waste of your energy, your time and your money.

Therefore, your best course of action is to move away. You can't change this behaviour, or force these people to change. The answer won't change no matter how many times you ask the question, here or elsewhere.

C_Mababejive

But that is their lifestyle choice..

sebtomato

I am interested in hearing from people who have had experience with dealing with anti-social tenants from HAs and how they resolved the issues.

Anybody else is frankly adding very little value.

Thanks also to people advising to move out instead of trying to deal with the issue: I would have never thought about that myself...

I love this forum!

sebtomato

ReadingTim wrote: »

What you meant to say is that yes, you have posted before, but didn't get the answers you wanted to hear, so thought you'd post again in the vain hope that something would change.

... or in the hope that someone would actually share his/her experience in dealing with similar issues and taking legal action, as opposed to just speculation.

Yes, private residents have no direct control over HA residents. However, HA residents do sign a tenancy agreement, which I have copy of, and a few don't respect the terms, at the expense of other residents (social or private). If they landlord doesn't enforce terms of the tenancy agreements, nor terms of the master lease for the estate, then I am sure there is legal ground for action.

Yes, I have no doubts that a legal action will take time and money, although starting one might be sufficient to trigger some actions, as opposed to going all the way to court.

sebtomato

Pixie5740 wrote: »

I didn't ask if you had included the HA in your residents association I asked if you included the social housing residents, you know the people who actually live in the same building as the residents you think are causing all the trouble.

Anyone can take legal action against anyone else for any reason they like. It's if the case has any chance of being successful that's important and to know that you'll need to get paid for legal advice.

Why would I need to get paid for legal advice? I think I know what you meant, but since we are being very pedantic...

Why are you inferring that I am blaming some HA residents for creating trouble, without proof?

Let me guess: I am the evil private landlord (who has never worked and just inherited his money) that is blaming automatically social tenants for all troubles...

Here are some stats for your own information:

* 90% of all estate troubles are coming from 1 block of flat (belonging to a HA)
* 90% of Police calls/visits are related to that block
* 90% of people living in that block are creating no issues whatsoever, and are in favour of an action against their useless landlord. They are also more upset that private residents, due to their proximity with the troublemakers and the fact that they probably can't relocate elsewhere easily