UKPC parking ticket with wrong VRN typed in

Fruitcake

I already suggested that you should copy and paste and send the appeal template. If I thought additional information was a good idea, I would have said so. This is often suggested where it is obvious the poster understands the process. No offence meant, but it was immediately obvious you didn't understand, which is why I didn't suggest any changes but instead told you to copy and paste.
I also told you not to edit in any way, again because I didn't think you understood the consequences of altering it.
So many people add things and shoot themselves in the foot, for example by giving away the driver's identity. Saying "I parked" for example is a dead giveaway.

You asked what to ask in the on site office ...

What are your terms and condition about cars parked around the estate?

Yes, that's exactly what you ask, and make sure you get it in writing from the landowner, not a management agency. If you are renting a property you should have signed some sort of contract or agreement. You want a copy of it. It will either say if there are any parking terms and conditions, or perhaps not mention parking at all. No matter, it is very unlikely that it will mention a third party (the parking scammers) who are not allowed to add on Ts and Cs to your original contract (lease/AST.) This has been brought up in several court cases where the judge has found in favour of the motorist. You will mention these at PoPLA.

As for the next stage after the scammers reject your initial appeal (don't worry, that's perfectly normal) you start to read up about PoPLA appeals. There are template appeals in post 3 of the NEWBIES that you can copy and tweak to suit your exact circumstances.

One of your appeal points will be that the details on the NTD differ from the details on the NTK, so the latter is non POFA 2012 compliant. There are several other appeal points you will use as I have already mentioned. Inadequate signage, not the landowner, no standing to bring charges in their own name, and other non POFA complaint NTK points as well to name but a few.

The signage point is always a strong one where UKPC are concerned, that's why I said you need to get your own pics of the entrance, and any and all signs around the parking area to show that they do not comply with the BPA code of practice.

As for paying the mugs discount, you are a mug if you do. What we all want is for you to get 100% MSE discount. Anyone who pays these scammers is just funding them so they can scam more motorists. Please don't. Nobody come here to give their time and advice for free, just so people can ignore the hard earned advice and fund the scamming of more people, including the sick, disabled, and the vulnerable.

Prestige123

Dear Sirs

Re: PCN No. ....................

I challenge this 'PCN' as keeper of the car.

I believe that your signs fail the test of 'large lettering' and prominence, as established in ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis. Your unremarkable and obscure signs were not seen by the driver, are in very small print and the terms are not readable to drivers.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. You must either rely on the POFA 2012 and offer me a POPLA code, or cancel the charge.

1) The original Parking Charge Notice numbered xxxxxxxx presented as Notice To Driver, has a registration number given which does not match any vehicle for which I am the Registered Keeper. This was therefore not compliant with the British Parking Association's (BPA) Code of Practice, and further fails the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, schedule 4., which therefore nullifies the Parking Charge Notice as it was issued with an incorrect Vehicle Registration Number (VRN). Therefore the Notice to Driver was NOT given correctly.

Should you obtain the registered keeper's data from the DVLA without reasonable cause, please take this as formal notice that I reserve the right to sue your company and the landowner/principal, for a sum not less than £250 for any Data Protection Act breach. Your aggressive business practice and unwarranted threat of court for the ordinary matter of a driver using my car without causing any obstruction nor offence, has caused significant distress to me.

I do not give you consent to process data relating to me or this vehicle. I deny liability for any sum at all and you must consider this letter a Section 10 Notice under the DPA. You are required to respond within 21 days. I have kept proof of submission of this appeal and look forward to your reply.


Yours faithfully,



well this is what I've pieced together as a first stage appeal.

Prestige123

Just received a letter back,

Saying,

in order to make a final decision i must provide the details of the drivers full name and address,
failure to provide the details will give us no alternative other than to make a final decision based on the previous information received. at this stage a popla verification code will be provided

then ramps on about some paragraph 9(2)b of schedule 4 talking about how they must inform the registered keeper to pass the charge yo the driver, if they dont get payment 28 days from the parking ticket, they have the right to recover the charge from the registered keeper.
they then begin to say the applicable condition under schedule 4 of that act (which we consider we do comply with, to this letter!)

next paragraphs

UKPC are a member of the dvla accredited trade association and the bpa which provides for a bilateral agreement with the dvla for the request of the information for the purpose of the registered keeper details, this includes obtaining details where there is deemed contravention occurring and it is necessary to enforce such charges against the registered keeper it should be emphasised such a role falls within the dvla's remit and therefore unlikely to prejudice their role and function in anyway but should you have concerns about this they should be directed to DVLA,

They mention absolutely nothing about the vehicle registration being incorrect from the original NTD they seem to totally ignore that

beamerguy

Prestige123 wrote: »

Just received a letter back,

Saying,

in order to make a final decision i must provide the details of the drivers full name and address,
failure to provide the details will give us no alternative other than to make a final decision based on the previous information received. at this stage a popla verification code will be provided

A little silly wheeze by UKPC. FINAL DECISION INDEED.
They need to know who the driver is to proceed.
YOU WILL NEVER SAY WHO THE DRIVER IS/WAS

Wait for the POPLA code and then people here will help you beat UKPC at the POPLA stage.

It is worth noting that UKPC are currently subject to a winding up order from HMRC on the 22nd May.

https://m.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2759157

By the time you get a POPLA code, UKPC could be a dead company

The_Deep

Have you seen this?


http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/ukpc-winding-up-order.html

Prestige123

Thanks, So do i just wait for a popla code and dont respond back to this letter? it states if your ignore this letter, UKPC regularly takes motorists to court, or do i reply and ask for one.

@The deep, Nope ive not seen anything about a winding up order, Im not even sure what that is to be honest? whats it about?