Got PA4 report and looks like i will fail for pip.

rockingbilly

pmlindyloo wrote: »

Your DLA will continue for 4 weeks if your PIP application is refused.

In your case you will need to get a fit note from your doctor and apply for ESA.

This should not take weeks and since your IS is paid in arrears there should be a fairly smooth transition.

Since you are in contact with a disability advice centre then you should contact them once you have your letter and they will help you apply for ESA.

A good guide on how to manage here:

https://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/en/articles/moving-from-dla-to-pip-what-to-do-if-your-award-is-reduced-or-stopped

If you only read threads about people making first claims on this site, there are many that actually suffer delays of weeks before getting any money.
It's OK saying that there are options such a food banks or budget/crisis loans - would you expect everybody to be happy in going cap in hand for these acts of charity?

NYM

rockingbilly wrote: »

If you only read threads about people making first claims on this site, there are many that actually suffer delays of weeks before getting any money.
It's OK saying that there are options such a food banks or budget/crisis loans - would you expect everybody to be happy in going cap in hand for these acts of charity?

You are beginning to really irritate me!

pmlindyloo always offers advice based on her knowledge of the system. Is always polite, helpful and never critical. In fact, follows the principal of this board to the letter!

You, meanwhile, are a glass half-full kind of person. Get a life!

pmlindyloo

This is from Entitledto website

Can I claim Income Support as a carer?

You are eligible to claim Income Support as a carer if any of the following apply:

You are looking after your partner or a child or qualifying young person who is 'temporarily ill' and for whom you are responsible.
You are regularly and substantially engage in caring for another person and either you are getting carers allowance, or the person you are caring for gets Attendance Allowance (AA) or constant attendance allowance, or the middle or highest rate of disability living allowance (DLA) care component or Personal Independance Payments (PIP) Daily Living Component at either Standard or enhanced rate.
If the person you are looking after has claimed DLA,PIP or AA, you'll be eligible for up to 26 weeks while you are waiting for their claim to be processed. You are eligible if they have an advance award of DLA middle or highest rate care component, PIP Daily Living Component at either Standard or enhanced rate or AA but are still in the qualifying period. If carer's allowance entitlement stops, or the person you are looking after stops getting AA or the middle or highest rate of DLA care component, you continue to be eligible for eight weeks.

Looks like you can continue to claim Income Support for 8 weeks after the DLA ends.

Hope someone can confirm this although entitledto is usually very accurate.

preciousillusions

my friend with epilepsy is facing the same, she has had her MR refused and is having to go to tribunal.

Her condition has always been uncontrolled despite trying numerous meds and I imagine as you probably do, she might have okay days sometimes but she also has horrendous ones and even having those good days doesn't ever mean she is safe. She is never safe and can have a fit at any time.

The main reason she didn't get anything was because she mentioned that on SOME occasions she gets a type of 'aura' feeling when a fit is going to happen. So to them that indicates that she knows when she is going to be in danger and can seek help. Absolute crap!

I am sorry you are having to face this too. It seems that despite the info telling you to focus on the 'worst day' the DWP simply cannot get their heads around conditions that vary from day to day.

Wishing you all the best in challenging this if it does turn out you have not been given enough points as you are fearing.

rockingbilly

preciousillusions wrote: »

The main reason she didn't get anything was because she mentioned that on SOME occasions she gets a type of 'aura' feeling when a fit is going to happen. So to them that indicates that she knows when she is going to be in danger and can seek help. Absolute crap!
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She told the truth no doubt?
In that case there is little else she could have said except lie saying that she NEVER gets any prior warning?

Isn't this the same as a type 1 diabetic when facing a hypo? Most if not all diabetics know when the BSL drops below 3 that they must seek help. The body warns them.
In fact in my case (and it always happens around 3am) I actually wake up and instinctively know that I must do a BSL test and take remedial action.

Muttleythefrog

rockingbilly wrote: »

She told the truth no doubt?
In that case there is little else she could have said except lie saying that she NEVER gets any prior warning?

I think the point is that 'getting an aura' doesn't sound like a credible warning.. and even if it was then not reliably so... perhaps not most of the time.


If at assessment I'd have said I don't go out but I do fly like superman on some midweek afternoons into the countryside to have a look at the hills... I would hope they'd treat that testimony as unreliable and ignorable. Having said that I could quite believe the resulting assessment report to detail something like 'goes out through the week on his own to sightsee'.

rockingbilly

Muttleythefrog wrote: »

I think the point is that 'getting an aura' doesn't sound like a credible warning.. and even if it was then not reliably so... perhaps not most of the time.
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In which case how is one to prove that (a) it isn't a credible warning (b) that it is unreliable and (c) that it does not occur for more than 50% of the days in a year?

That to me is a difficult situation to be in as the default position is that taken by the assessor and accepted by the DWP as the truth.

Muttleythefrog

rockingbilly wrote: »

In which case how is one to prove that (a) it isn't a credible warning (b) that it is unreliable and (c) that it does not occur for more than 50% of the days in a year?

That to me is a difficult situation to be in as the default position is that taken by the assessor and accepted by the DWP as the truth.

You can't prove... you can only provide evidence... which is largely (if not entirely) going to come from the claimant if regarding something like these 'warnings'. These benefits should be based on the balance of evidence when it comes to determining disablements.

preciousillusions

rockingbilly wrote: »

She told the truth no doubt?
In that case there is little else she could have said except lie saying that she NEVER gets any prior warning?

Isn't this the same as a type 1 diabetic when facing a hypo? Most if not all diabetics know when the BSL drops below 3 that they must seek help. The body warns them.
In fact in my case (and it always happens around 3am) I actually wake up and instinctively know that I must do a BSL test and take remedial action.

Yeah I didn't mean she should lie, but that this was interpreted incorrectly I feel. Because for one, most of the time she doesn't know it will happen, and two it still means she needs someone around to keep her safe else she may swallow her tongue and die or injure herself in some catastrophic way. She is NEVER safe with epilepsy that severe.

Coincidentally I am a type 1 diabetic too and my PIP is partly related to how erratic my BSL are and how my mental health impacts on my ability to take action when I need to administer insulin etc. Also a lot of type 1 diabetics have hypo unawareness (I don't, but know friends who do.)

rich_shot2003

Well today i got the letter and as i said its 0 points.

the letter was done last Friday so it took a week to get to me so a now only have 21 days to ask them to look at it again.

it also tells me that my DLA will stop on April 25th.