1.6 hdi and 2.0hdi Peugeot Expert?

applepicker

1.6 hdi is a problem. And I was told the 2 litre is ok. Do people mean the 2.0 HDI or just the 2.0 litre (no HDI)?

motorguy

applepicker wrote: »

1.6 hdi is a problem. And I was told the 2 litre is ok. Do people mean the 2.0 HDI or just the 2.0 litre (no HDI)?

The 2.0litre HDi. Do they even do a petrol 2.0 version?

Avoid the 1.6.

With the two litre watch for floating flywheel issues, DPF issues too probably.

applepicker

motorguy wrote: »

The 2.0litre HDi. Do they even do a petrol 2.0 version?

Avoid the 1.6.

With the two litre watch for floating flywheel issues, DPF issues too probably.

sorry, not good on cars. What do those 2 things mean?


How about this one-


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702222570350?postcode=so413sr&advertising-location=at_vans&radius=30&sort=datedesc&model=DISPATCH&supplied-price-from=500&make=CITROEN&page=2


or this


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201611049452956?model=EXPERT&radius=35&make=PEUGEOT&sort=datedesc&advertising-location=at_vans&supplied-price-from=500&postcode=so413sr&page=2


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703073019316?supplied-price-from=500&model=EXPERT&sort=datedesc&radius=35&postcode=so413sr&make=PEUGEOT&advertising-location=at_vans&page=1

Rain_Shadow

applepicker wrote: »

sorry, not good on cars. What do those 2 things mean?


How about this one-


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702222570350?postcode=so413sr&advertising-location=at_vans&radius=30&sort=datedesc&model=DISPATCH&supplied-price-from=500&make=CITROEN&page=2


or this


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201611049452956?model=EXPERT&radius=35&make=PEUGEOT&sort=datedesc&advertising-location=at_vans&supplied-price-from=500&postcode=so413sr&page=2


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703073019316?supplied-price-from=500&model=EXPERT&sort=datedesc&radius=35&postcode=so413sr&make=PEUGEOT&advertising-location=at_vans&page=1

The first one is a 2.0 litre petrol the other two are 2.0 litre diesels. HDI means its a diesel.

no1catman

If I remember correctly, I think it stood for High pressure diesel injection. Before that, it was just diesel, then turbo diesel (and that was fast - would do 100 mph with no trouble), then came the Hdi.
Though, again think they started with 1.9s.
Mind, it's more like ten years since I drove one - but great medium van.

Also, became the basis of the Euro Taxi

waamo

applepicker wrote: »

1.6 hdi is a problem. And I was told the 2 litre is ok. Do people mean the 2.0 HDI or just the 2.0 litre (no HDI)?

What's your annual mileage? If it's less than about 20k I would avoid a diesel. They don't do well if only used on short runs.

AdrianC

waamo wrote: »

What's your annual mileage? If it's less than about 20k I would avoid a diesel. They don't do well if only used on short runs.

Try finding a petrol van...

motorguy

AdrianC wrote: »

Try finding a petrol van...

The O/P linked to a petrol one (dual fuel to be precise...)

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702222570350?postcode=so413sr&advertising-location=at_vans&radius=30&sort=datedesc&model=DIS%20%20PATCH&supplied-price-from=500&make=CITROEN&page=2

motorguy

applepicker wrote: »

sorry, not good on cars. What do those 2 things mean?

A "floating flywheel" or Dual Mass Flywheel (DMF) is part of the clutch mechanism of a car. Cars used to have solid flywheels however these can cause vibration due to torque at lower speeds (particularly diesels). To aid a smoother vibration free and a smoother clutch mechanism the "floating flywheel was developed. Effectively the main flywheel is detached from the hub via a series of heavy springs and rubber mounts. The problem comes - particularly on diesels that these springs / rubber mounts wear out prematurely (particularly on diesels), so the flywheel starts to become noisy and vibrate. This ultimately means it needs replaced (usually done with the clutch and thrust bearing at the same time) and costs between £600 and £1,000 ish on a typical car.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-mass_flywheel

Also, google "floating flywheel problems"

A Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) is basically a filter put into the exhausts of diesel cars to remove diesel particulates / soot. These are designed to be self cleaning but usually require the engine to be up to full temperature and for the exhaust to get hot for maybe a 20 odd mile run (typically at motorway speeds). All very well in theory, however lots of cars dont get to do the cleaning (re-gen) as they arent run long enough (OR in the case of some Vauxhalls for example, the revs arent high enough in sixth gear to allow the regen process to be effective even at the motorway limit). Over time the DPF becomes clogged, eventually making the engine run poorly. Again, a replacement is £600 - £1,000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_particulate_filter

The problem with DPF issues is the knock on effects they can have. A clogged DPF and the engine running badly can cause a blocked EGR valve. The engine running through a blocked filter puts extra stress on the turbo, which can lead to turbo failure.

To replicate the effect - try putting a sock in your mouth and going for a run...

The "perfect storm" for all of this is the Peugeot 1.6 HDI engine :-

• The DPF is easily clogged
• The EGR valve system is weak in the first place
• It has a floating flywheel
• It has a poorly designed weak turbo so once everything starts clogging up, the turbo goes pop.
• The oilways around the turbo to keep it lubricated clog up, so even replacing the turbo can lead to another turbo failure approx 2,000 miles later
• The engine management system is particularly naff at telling you whats wrong with the engine

For a sense of pain, heres an example we hit when i was motor trading -

• we bought a Ford Focus 1.6TDCI (those engines are the 1.6HDI engine, supplied by Peugeot), down on power, engine management light (EML) on.
• The engine was generating codes around a blocked DPF, so we replaced the DPF (£600)
• Engine still running badly, traced to the EGR valve being blocked so we replaced that (£400)
• Engine still running badly, traced to turbo. Took advice on this and went for a new Ford fitted Turbo - £1400.
• When it was in, Ford said they would only warrant the turbo if we paid for the oilway modification kit @ £400, so we replaced that too.

All in all, including some other small mechanical bits and bobs it cost us approx £3,000 to get it running right :eek:

To complete the sense of despair, google these -

"Peugeot 1.6HDI turbo problems"
"Peugeot 1.6HDI EGR valve problems"
"Peugeot 1.6HDI diesel particulate problems"

Nasqueron

waamo wrote: »

What's your annual mileage? If it's less than about 20k I would avoid a diesel. They don't do well if only used on short runs.

Anecdotal of course but I had the 2.0l 90bhp diesel 206 from a year old and ran it for 9 more years with zero engine/dpf problems, doing around 8000 miles a year - 9 mile each way commute on suburban and country roads with regular motorway drives at the weekend for sport. Only repairs it ever needed were wear and tear stuff

BeenThroughItAll

Nasqueron wrote: »

Anecdotal of course but I had the 2.0l 90bhp diesel 206 from a year old and ran it for 9 more years with zero engine/dpf problems, doing around 8000 miles a year - 9 mile each way commute on suburban and country roads with regular motorway drives at the weekend for sport. Only repairs it ever needed were wear and tear stuff

I wouldn't think a 2.0HDI in a 206 would have had a DPF.