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Theft from Car using Key Jammers
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AndyMc..... wrote: »Unfortunately the car doesn't know who is trying to open the door. If the key is in range when the handle is operated the door opens. Similarly it locks when you walk away from it.
On which cars? Certainly the cars I've driven that are 'keyless' require buttons to be pushed on the remote to lock/unlock, those being 15 plate Qashqai, BMW 5 series and a 16 plate Mini.I hate football and do wish people wouldn't keep talking about it like it's the most important thing in the world0 -
interstellaflyer wrote: »On which cars? Certainly the cars I've driven that are 'keyless' require buttons to be pushed on the remote to lock/unlock, those being 15 plate Qashqai, BMW 5 series and a 16 plate Mini.
Modern keyless doesn't need a button on the remote to lock, my Mazda 3 is like this - walk up and press the door button (there is no physical lock) or the boot button and if the key is on you, it will unlock, else it won't. Exit the car with the key and the car will beep, walk away and it will beep again, lights flash and doors lock - if it doesn't beep you know it hasn't lockedSam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness:
People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.
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A woman I worked with got a new Nissan Micra (I think). She was boasting about the keyless entry and exit. "So," I said, "How do you check it's locked after you park?"Unfortunately with keyless cars, you cannot try the doors after you have locked the car because you have the key in your pocket and the car assumes you want to get back in.
She admitted she hadn't thought of that, and that with the keys in her handbag she would never be completely sure that the car was locked. We worked out in the end that the only way to check the car was actually locked (as opposed to beeps, clunks and flashing lights) would be to leave the keys on top of a wall 20 feet away and then return and try the doors by hand - not a very secure approach.
That would have been in about 2003. I believe the next generation of Micra had a more sensible arrangement.If someone is nice to you but rude to the waiter, they are not a nice person.0 -
sorry posted in wrong threadI hate football and do wish people wouldn't keep talking about it like it's the most important thing in the world0
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Modern keyless doesn't need a button on the remote to lock, my Mazda 3 is like this - walk up and press the door button (there is no physical lock) or the boot button and if the key is on you, it will unlock, else it won't. Exit the car with the key and the car will beep, walk away and it will beep again, lights flash and doors lock - if it doesn't beep you know it hasn't locked
But these will be "fail safe" not "fail deadly".
That is, if the key is jammed, it will assume it is not there and lock. The absence of signal means it is locked. So a key jammer would not work.0 -
interstellaflyer wrote: »On which cars? Certainly the cars I've driven that are 'keyless' require buttons to be pushed on the remote to lock/unlock, those being 15 plate Qashqai, BMW 5 series and a 16 plate Mini.
My Megane doesn't require any buttons to be pressed. It unlocks when I touch my door handle with my keys in my pocket and locks when I walk away. It does make a small beep noise as it locks itself. I don't take my keys out of my pocket at any point for driving.0 -
Forwandert wrote: »My Megane doesn't require any buttons to be pressed. It unlocks when I touch my door handle with my keys in my pocket and locks when I walk away. It does make a small beep noise as it locks itself. I don't take my keys out of my pocket at any point for driving.
I was just going on the experience I'd had but I guess keyless is a loose term as you still need some sort of device, technically my MK3 Megane is keyless, it doesn't have a key in the traditional way, it has a very expensive piece of plastic.I hate football and do wish people wouldn't keep talking about it like it's the most important thing in the world0 -
But these will be "fail safe" not "fail deadly".
That is, if the key is jammed, it will assume it is not there and lock. The absence of signal means it is locked. So a key jammer would not work.
I can only speak from my own experience but there are times you walk away with the key and it doesn't lock, sometimes if you are with a passenger and both open doors, you get out and close your door then a passenger closes their door. Other times I have got out and closed the door quickly and it doesn't. I always listen for the beep and lockSam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness:
People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.
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But these will be "fail safe" not "fail deadly".
That is, if the key is jammed, it will assume it is not there and lock. The absence of signal means it is locked. So a key jammer would not work.
That's a very good point and just shows that the OP must have been negligent and didn't lock their car.0 -
Not everyone has a brand new car, and some older variants of the keyless do require you to press a button - my wife's Q7 when she had it was a case in point.0
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