Indy2, Scottish pound, and house prices

TrickyTree83

edinburgher wrote: »

I see nothing wrong with a nationalist party if it provides the need for representation that a country feels that none of the alternatives offer.

They may appear to be a party of grievance and division to you, but of course you would feel that way (you appear to be happy with the status quo).

Anyway, enough of the SNP defence, I am not married to them but like all Scots, will support the underdog in a one sided argument!

I have supported the Lib Dems in the past. They went into bed with the Conservatives who took credit for all of their most progressive policies and then ended up as the only mainstream political party on offer.



But surely that's another argument entirely? The fact that a lot of Scots feel under-represented by the mainstream (UK) parties isn't invalidated by the fact that a lot of English feel even more under-represented?

Many live in safe seats that have an incumbent they disagree with politically, that includes in Scotland. Many English are under represented, many Scots are under represented, the difference appears to be complaining about it or getting up and getting on with it whilst accepting it to be the democracy we live in and enjoy the fruits of to be fair.

Proportional representation may allow everyone to have their voices heard but that comes at a price of possibly having unstable government or even a paralysed government. A vote for the SNP in Westminster is a wasted vote plain and simple, as part of the UK they can never hope to be in power in Westminster due to their prime reason for existing. If under representation in the UK government is the issue for Scots, and SNP vote was completely the wrong way to go about achieving the representation in UK government they crave. The SNP can only delivery power in government through independence, which comes at a grave cost.

Conrad

QUESTION;


Does anyone know whether Scotland would have to contribute to EU coffers and if so by what net amount?

edinburgher

So what is the 'right way' for us to gain the representation we 'crave'?

TrickyTree83

edinburgher wrote: »

So what is the 'right way' for us to gain the representation we 'crave'?

Not voting for a regional party would be a fantastic start. If the SNP were to stand in the rest of the country it wouldn't work since they're all about Scottish nationalism, it would need to be another political party, such as the Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dem's, Greens. Or even a regional party that is aligned such as the arrangement the Northern Irish parties have with Westminster would be a step in the right direction. Working with rather than against the union. It comes as no surprise to me that the SNP are spurned when the opportunity arises because of what they stand for, asking representatives of the union to work with representatives of a region who want to break up the union. Of course it's not going to work effectively.

alewin

Conrad wrote: »

QUESTION;
Does anyone know whether Scotland would have to contribute to EU coffers and if so by what net amount?

Doubt it, they would be taking from the EU.
Their debt ratio is worse than Greece isn't it and the EU would have to bail them out in the future.

edinburgher

If the SNP were to stand in the rest of the country it wouldn't work since they're all about Scottish nationalism, it would need to be another political party, such as the Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dem's, Greens.

Well, the Conservatives are out as they're already in power but Scotland obviously dislikes them enough to vote SNP in huge amounts (although my fellow constituents voted Conservative). As for the others. Labour? Seems unlikely, all my work colleagues who were rabidly pro-Labour have switched affiliation to the SNP as Labour appear to be a dead duck at the moment and have made a lot of decisions at the local/city level that have angered many Scots. The SNP hold more seats than the rest of the parties combined.

Presented with these choices, the breakup of the union seems inevitable.

GreatApe

Conrad wrote: »

QUESTION;


Does anyone know whether Scotland would have to contribute to EU coffers and if so by what net amount?

I think it is calculated by GDP so if the scots gain their own currency which tanks then maybe not

However if they stay with the British pound then its likely they will have to and might not even get the thatcher rebate

TrickyTree83

edinburgher wrote: »

Well, the Conservatives are out as they're already in power but Scotland obviously dislikes them enough to vote SNP in huge amounts (although my fellow constituents voted Conservative). As for the others. Labour? Seems unlikely, all my work colleagues who were rabidly pro-Labour have switched affiliation to the SNP as Labour appear to be a dead duck at the moment and have made a lot of decisions at the local/city level that have angered many Scots. The SNP hold more seats than the rest of the parties combined.

Presented with these choices, the breakup of the union seems inevitable.

There are many other political parties, in fact a loose co-operation of independents would have more joy in Westminster than the SNP.

I get the impression you're not neutral in this, that you in fact back independence. I implore you to do the reading and research you suggested you would regarding the state of the Scottish economy within the UK and what that would mean after leaving the UK. Take it from the Scottish government if anything, even the civil servants working on behalf of the SNP cannot sugar coat the truth enough to obfuscate the grim reality that awaits iScotland.

molerat

edinburgher wrote: »

Also, stop scaremongering, we will still be able to watch Aliens and T2 at Christmas through our own SBC

I sincerely hope so. I find the majority of Scottish produced programmes pretty dire, far too "Scottish" and not appealing to a wider multicultural audience.

edinburgher

I too am bemused by the amount of Gaelic content that is produced.