Documentation for EU partner?

Guest101

Naf wrote: »

1. We can't afford that. and 2. She'd rather not be forced into giving up her Dutch nationality, which I believe the Dutch government would force her to do in this case.

1: That's unfortunate, thankfully you have 2 years to save up


2: that's the fault of the dutch government, not the british

Proxima_Centauri

I fear this is going to turn into yet another a Brexit argument.. There aren't quite enough of those over in Discussion Time (which would be the correct place for it)



Anyway, in short, please don't worry, OP. We haven't even triggered article 50 yet, let alone started with negotiations. And do remember, there are lots of countries in Europe who are not members of the EU, and foreign citizens in those countries manage perfectly well.

Person_one

Naf wrote: »

1. We can't afford that. and 2. She'd rather not be forced into giving up her Dutch nationality, which I believe the Dutch government would force her to do in this case.

I think one thing to do would to be find that out for definite.

Amara

Cost of citizenship:
1. Administration fee £1236
2. Life in U.K. Test £50
3. English exam £150
4. Permanent residency card £65
5. Possibly proof of relationships, copies of birth certificates, marriage certificates, if applies .
About giving up Dutch citizenship: if your girlfriend marry you, she won't have to:
https://www.government.nl/topics/dutch-nationality/contents/loss-of-dutch-nationality

My advice is to start with permanent residency card. It's cheap and it proves her status. Also, should she decide to become British citizen , she'll need one anyway.
Becoming British is costly. Don't believe Daily Fail that government gives away passports right, left and centre. Oh, and about passport: ones naturalised , she'll need to pay for passport too, £75. And go for an interview to Passport Office.
Good luck.

Nick_C

Person_one wrote: »

We're the ones who moved the goalposts, why should we expect all the other European countries to put themselves out for us?

I expect they will, but we'd have a nerve to be making demands!

1) Because if the EU will not agree to continued residency rights, a lot of young Spanish, Portuguese, French, Polish etc could be forced to return to their countries of origin, which in many cases already have alarmingly high rates of youth unemployment.

2) Because any civilised country would act reasonably in such matters, recognising special relationships. As we do with the Irish Republic and the Commonwealth.

3) Because Article 8 of the Lisbon Treaty states that "the Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation."

arbrighton

Amara wrote: »

Cost of citizenship:
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About giving up Dutch citizenship: if your girlfriend marry you, she won't have to:
https://www.government.nl/topics/dutch-nationality/contents/loss-of-dutch-nationality

Good luck.

OP says WIFE> Might have already dealt with that part

Nick_C

Naf wrote: »

1. We can't afford that. and 2. She'd rather not be forced into giving up her Dutch nationality, which I believe the Dutch government would force her to do in this case.

Are you a UK Citizen?

According to the Dutch Govt website;

If you are an adult, you will automatically (by operation of law) lose your Dutch nationality if any of the following situations apply:

You voluntarily acquire another nationality. Except if:

You were born in the country of your other nationality and lived

• there at the time you acquired that nationality.
• As a minor, you lived in the other country whose nationality you acquired for an uninterrupted period of at least 5 years.
• You acquire the nationality that your spouse or registered partner already has.

My reading of this is that if you are a UK Citizen and your wife applies to become a UK citizen as well, she does not have to lose her Dutch nationality.

A quick call to the Consulate should clarify the matter.

https://www.government.nl/topics/dutch-nationality/contents/loss-of-dutch-nationality

Amara

arbrighton wrote: »

OP says WIFE> Might have already dealt with that part

I didn't notice that, thanks . Great.

thriftylass

Naf wrote: »

1. We can't afford that. and 2. She'd rather not be forced into giving up her Dutch nationality, which I believe the Dutch government would force her to do in this case.

Hi Naf,

I'm in the same situation as your wife. I'm German, lived here and paid my taxes for 14 years and got married to my British husband 2 years ago. I now finally changed my name to his (waited so long as a lot of German bureaucracy involved and my passport only runs out this year).

Same here, can't afford the 1.2k and will start with the residency card once my name change is through. I suggest your wife does the same. I also would probably loose my German nationality and but would want to keep it as a backdoor when the SRHTF here, never now, weirder things have happened.

This is what it says on the German consulate site (see below). Meaning, as I will now soon live in a non-EU country (or will by the time I can afford the 1.2k) I would loose my German nationality unless I apply for a special permit and god knows what the rules are for that. Better check with the Dutch embassy

How can I lose German citizenship?
*by voluntarily acquiring a foreign citizenship

If you willingly apply for a foreign citizenship and obtain it, German citizenship is automatically lost. However, since 28.08.2007 (date of naturalisation in the foreign country), German citizenship is not lost anymore if you apply for and receive the citizenship of an EU member state or of Switzerland.

In all other cases, loss of citizenship can be avoided by obtaining a special permit ("Beibehaltungsgenehmigung") before you are naturalised in a foreign country.

Saying all that I still (naively?) believe nothing will happen. Unless they want all the british expats to come back from Spain etc.

peachyprice

Naf wrote: »

In light of the Tories callous rejection of the amendment to protect the rights of EU nationals,

They haven't, negotiations haven't started with the EU. However the government aren't going to, at this stage, guarantee right to remain for EU citizens when they don't know what the EU have in store for UK citizens abroad. No doubt a reciprocal agreement will be reached.