TV licence on 4G phone with screen mirroring to TV

fsuk_83

Hi all,

I hope this hasn't been covered previously, apologies if it has. I don't have a TV licence, I don't watch broadcast TV and I don't watch iPlayer.

However I would like to watch one BBC programme on iPlayer or maybe some live news. From my understanding I can do this on my phone, whilst on batteries. Correct me if I'm wrong.

My question is can I screen mirror my phone to my TV (not casting, but screen mirror) over wifi? Or could I just cast?

If the TV does need to be off mains power can I just connect my old spare UPS for my PC to power the TV during this time?

This might be being really anal but to watch one programme from the BBC to pay £140 a year is ridiculous, and I've vowed never to pay for it since they sent me threatening letters, when I told them I don't need a licence three times.

Plus I pay for much better TV through Netflix, prime and now Tv.

glentoran99

Feyaz wrote: »

Hi all,

I hope this hasn't been covered previously, apologies if it has. I don't have a TV licence, I don't watch broadcast TV and I don't watch iPlayer.

However I would like to watch one BBC programme on iPlayer or maybe some live news. From my understanding I can do this on my phone, whilst on batteries. Correct me if I'm wrong.

My question is can I screen mirror my phone to my TV (not casting, but screen mirror) over wifi? Or could I just cast?

If the TV does need to be off mains power can I just connect my old spare UPS for my PC to power the TV during this time?

This might be being really anal but to watch one programme from the BBC to pay £140 a year is ridiculous, and I've vowed never to pay for it since they sent me threatening letters, when I told them I don't need a licence three times.

Plus I pay for much better TV through Netflix, prime and now Tv.

No you still need a licence if you watch Iplayer or any live tv on any source

Hutchch0920

To watch any live feeds you need a TV license

To watch any BBC iPlayer you need a TV license.

It doesn't matter whether you're plugged in or not you would still need one in these instances http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/watching-online-and-on-mobile-devices-TOP14

Cornucopia

Feyaz wrote: »

From my understanding I can do this on my phone, whilst on batteries. Correct me if I'm wrong.

As stated above, this is wrong. The "Battery" exemption only applies if you have a Licence at a different address.

This might be being really anal but to watch one programme from the BBC to pay £140 a year is ridiculous, and I've vowed never to pay for it since they sent me threatening letters, when I told them I don't need a licence three times.

There are possible loopholes in the new law...

1) Download content from iPlayer at a Licensed address (maybe a friend or neighbour) and watch it anywhere.

2) Download content in a public place or in a vehicle (this is legally a grey area, but TVL do not undertake enforcement in these places).

3) Have a licensed friend/neighbour download content for you (or maybe place a batch download script on their PC and share it to yours).

Some of this may be facilitated by downloading a third party app called get_iplayer. (It's possible that this will cease to work in a few months, though, when iPlayer gets a security makeover).

get_iplayer itself may be outside the terms of the new law because it isn't provided by the BBC.

glentoran99

Cornucopia wrote: »

As stated above, this is wrong. The "Battery" exemption only applies if you have a Licence at a different address.



There are possible loopholes in the new law...

- Download content from iPlayer at a Licensed address (maybe a friend or neighbour) and watch it anywhere.



- Download content in a public place or in a vehicle (this is legally a grey area, but TVL do not undertake enforcement in these places).
You are asked do you have a tv licence

- Have a licensed friend/neighbour download content for you (or maybe place a batch download script on their PC and share it to yours).


Some of this may be facilitated by downloading a third party app called get_iplayer. (It's possible that this will cease to work in a few months, though, when iPlayer gets a security makeover).

get_iplayer itself may be outside the terms of the new law because it isn't provided by the BBC.

Not sure any of those are loopholes really. You need (in theory) a licence to use Iplayer

Cornucopia

glentoran99 wrote: »

Not sure any of those are loopholes really. You need (in theory) a licence to use Iplayer

I disagree.

1) You have a Licence if you are on Licensed premises. The fact that you might be using your own Laptop is not relevant.

2) The law is unclear in the case of a vehicle as to whether a Licence is required or not. At the moment, being asked by iPlayer whether you have a Licence or not does nothing and means nothing.

3) Is certainly a loophole, and has been since the days when a Licensed person could give you a VHS tape of a recorded program.

The general principle (for iPlayer) is that it is the downloading of the content that requires a Licence (if it does), and, once downloaded, watching it later or possessing it in the meantime does not.

glentoran99

Cornucopia wrote: »

I disagree.

1) You have a Licence if you are on Licensed premises. The fact that you might be using your own Laptop is not relevant.

2) The law is unclear in the case of a vehicle as to whether a Licence is required or not. At the moment, being asked by iPlayer whether you have a Licence or not does nothing and means nothing.

3) Is certainly a loophole, and has been since the days when a Licensed person could give you a VHS tape of a recorded program.

The general principle (for iPlayer) is that it is the downloading of the content that requires a Licence (if it does), and, once downloaded, watching it later or possessing it in the meantime does not.

on 3, that was always against the law as such, You were (and are) only allowed to record TV shows for personal use regardless of tv licence or not


https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/tvlicence


you need a licence to watch or download

Cornucopia

glentoran99 wrote: »

on 3, that was always against the law as such, You were (and are) only allowed to record TV shows for personal use regardless of tv licence or not

Maybe against other (unenforced/unenforceable) laws, but not a matter for the TV Licensing people, which is what we are talking about here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/tvlicence

you need a licence to watch or download

The BBC does not make the law (and often summarises it badly or deceptively).

You need a Licence to download. If you are downloading and watching simultaneously (i.e. streaming) then that requires a Licence. Watching something that has previously been downloaded whilst being covered by a Licence does not require a Licence.

The legislation talks about "receiving" programme services - i.e. it is the act of receiving, streaming or downloading that requires a Licence, not the viewing of previously downloaded content.

I'm assuming that you've not come across get_iplayer (a command-line based utility for downloading content from the BBC). Some of the distinction between downloading and viewing makes much more sense in that context.

jasonwatkins

Feyaz wrote: »

Hi all,

I hope this hasn't been covered previously, apologies if it has. I don't have a TV licence, I don't watch broadcast TV and I don't watch iPlayer.

However I would like to watch one BBC programme on iPlayer or maybe some live news. From my understanding I can do this on my phone, whilst on batteries. Correct me if I'm wrong.

My question is can I screen mirror my phone to my TV (not casting, but screen mirror) over wifi? Or could I just cast?

If the TV does need to be off mains power can I just connect my old spare UPS for my PC to power the TV during this time?

This might be being really anal but to watch one programme from the BBC to pay £140 a year is ridiculous, and I've vowed never to pay for it since they sent me threatening letters, when I told them I don't need a licence three times.

Plus I pay for much better TV through Netflix, prime and now Tv.

Just watch the program.

You're not going to get a knock on the door because you've just watched one program.

boliston

im wondering what happens if you are a visitor to the uk and wish to watch iplayer on your phone while on the train - would you need to buy a licence before entering the uk?

Cornucopia

boliston wrote: »

im wondering what happens if you are a visitor to the uk and wish to watch iplayer on your phone while on the train - would you need to buy a licence before entering the uk?

You'd need to get a Licence before streaming iPlayer.

However, there is no enforcement on public transport, nor any intention to have any.