Electric cars

AdrianC

NigeWick wrote: »

I disagree. THE big thing is the combining of cheap electric travel with fully autonomous use. If you mean businesses owning the vehicles, then that is one part of the answer. Systems like the one Tesla is setting up for individual owners to send their vehicles off to work is another. At present there is no readily available infrastructure for people like me who want TAAS and are prepared to accept minor limitations of waiting while the "taxi" arrives.

TaaS does not require autonomy.
Autonomy is not TaaS.

They are two separate things.

jimjames

facade wrote: »

Crikey! How big are your solar panels if you can put 24kwh into a car in daylight hours?
Call it 10 hours, so that is 2.4kW, PVs would need to be around 24m2 and follow the sun.

3kWp panels will give you 20kWh per day at peak summer, 10-15 kWh over much of the rest of the year so 4kWp panels would give 28kWh max. You might not use all of each charge so each day would top it up.

NigeWick

IanMSpencer wrote: »

Economics is rarely part of the equation in car choice.

That is your opinion and I disagree with it. Economics has everything to do with 100% of my family's vehicle choices. Admittedly a small sample of six vehicles but still significant in my view.

NigeWick

AdrianC wrote: »

TaaS does not require autonomy.
Autonomy is not TaaS.

They are two separate things.

But, connected they will be totally disruptive of transport as we know it. A large part of motor transport cost is the nut behind the wheel. Do away with that, plus lower fuel and maintenance costs and we have an easy winner. Admittedly not for everyone, but probably the large majority, including me.

IamNotAllowedToUseMyName

NigeWick wrote: »

That is your opinion and I disagree with it. Economics has everything to do with 100% of my family's vehicle choices. Admittedly a small sample of six vehicles but still significant in my view.

Sure I exaggerating to make a point, and clearly there are financial limits people work under, but people are prepared to spend disproportionate amounts of money on cars, knowingly beyond their means in some cases, and come up with all sorts of spurious reasons to justify this.

Given that people aren't particularly rational about car choice, then expecting a rational economic argument to predict future car use is not, erm, rational. Is that a better way of putting it?

Gloomendoom

NigeWick wrote: »

That is your opinion and I disagree with it. Economics has everything to do with 100% of my family's vehicle choices. Admittedly a small sample of six vehicles but still significant in my view.

I have the opposite experience. A slightly larger sample, but economics have been way down the priority list when choosing vehicles.

David_Aston

Can most available EV's be plugged into the domestic mains, for charging? Without additional expensive leads?

AdrianC

David_Aston wrote: »

Can most available EV's be plugged into the domestic mains, for charging? Without additional expensive leads?

You mean into a 13A three-pin socket?

Yes. But very slowly. 13A is 3kW, absolute maximum. Realistically, you'll probably get about 2kW maximum.

NigeWick

IanMSpencer wrote: »

Is that a better way of putting it?

Nope:- Transportation disruption will dramatically redraw the urban landscape. What will your city become? https://buff.ly/2DI6DjZ

Andy_L

NigeWick wrote: »

That is your opinion and I disagree with it. Economics has everything to do with 100% of my family's vehicle choices. Admittedly a small sample of six vehicles but still significant in my view.

Was that economics or budgeting affecting your family's vehicle choice though?