Electric cars

zeupater

Martyn1981 wrote: »

AdrianC wrote: »

Did you not even bother to glance briefly at the graphic within the post you quoted?

The graphic is for California, did you not even bother to glance briefly at the title?

Hi

I'd read the latest figures as being roughly 40%/30%/30%, so no EV technology variant really representing a 'small proportion' at all .... however the 2018 Q3 & Q4 (/H2) mix representations would be interesting considering the recent rise in production & sales volumes from Tesla & others! ... :cool:

HTH
Z

zeupater

AdrianC wrote: »

Do you think California is likely to be more of an early-adopter, as far as electric vehicles, than the rest of the world?

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"BNEF expects California to continue leading the way in the US market. EVs " ...

Hi

I find it odd that you'd answer your own question without actually realising?! ... :eek:

HTH
Z

AdrianC

zeupater wrote: »

I'd read the latest figures as being roughly 40%/30%/30%, so no EV technology variant really representing a 'small proportion' at all

Indeed. The three are now roughly equal, although non-plugin is still in the lead.

When we consider the proportions of the 4m total production to date, though...

From Martyn's CleanTechnica article:

AdrianC

zeupater wrote: »

I find it odd that you'd answer your own question without actually realising?! ... :eek:

I know what I think the answer is. I was asking Martyn what he thinks it is.

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

Do you think California is likely to be more of an early-adopter, as far as electric vehicles, than the rest of the world?



Are you suggesting that the rest of the world has seen a considerably higher proportion of pure EV/PHEV to "plain" hybrid sales than California?


The link you posted originally, with the total 4m vehicle figure, includes this line, just above that graphic:

"BNEF expects California to continue leading the way in the US market. EVs — again, that means including hybrids in this analysis — are already about 10% of sales in the Golden State, but the data shows an interesting change in buying habits. Where once the hybrids led the way, plug-in hybrids and battery electric cars are now outselling hybrids."
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/09/03/4-million-electrified-vehicles-sold-globally-5-million-expected-in-6-months-bnef/


I'm really quite surprised that you're questioning the statement than "plain" hybrids are the vast majority of "electrified" vehicles. It would seem to me to be a basic truism, given the market start they've had, and given the current market availability.

Firstly calm down and be polite, or else Almillar will tell [STRIKE]you[/STRIKE] me off again.

Next, you were very specific about your claim, so I assumed you had some numbers, and hadn't mistaken the California graph for a world graph. from your 'new' response I see I was wrong to give you the benefit of the doubt. kWh's and Ah's spring to mind!

Next, the article and linked articles are not clear, they only specify that HEV's are also included in the California data.

Next (lots of next's) we also need to consider China, which may not be led by Cali? Even if you believe they are.

Finally, someone claiming to represent the BNEF team, says that the 4m doesn't include non-plug in hybrids - so, again, could you please provide me with a reference to your claims as I'm not clear what the make-up of the 4m is, whilst you are apparently certain.

Thanks.

BTW still sticking with 22x or is an apology now in order?

Martyn1981

AdrianC wrote: »

From Martyn's CleanTechnica article:

Actually it's Steve Hanley's.

zeupater

AdrianC wrote: »

Indeed. The three are now roughly equal, although non-plugin is still in the lead.

When we consider the proportions of the 4m total production to date, though...

From Martyn's CleanTechnica article:

Hi

Actually not ... all you could claim is that the position was such over H1 2018 which, as you know because you've posted so much on the subject, is the very period where the ramp-up of M3 production volumes experienced considerable delays resulting in period sales being relatively low .... as mentioned in the previous post, the H2 mix in California will be interesting!

HTH
Z

zeupater

AdrianC wrote: »

I know what I think the answer is. I was asking Martyn what he thinks it is.

Hi

No, you actually asked ...

Do you think California is likely to be more of an early-adopter, as far as electric vehicles, than the rest of the world?

... immediately before referencing and quoting from an article that states ...

"BNEF expects California to continue leading the way in the US market. EVs "

... therefore answering your own question in that BNEF expect California to be an early adopter state in the USA, which would likely mean that they would, by default, rank globally too.

Before you start to spin the meaning towards comparing a US state to China (which is expected!), you should consider the relative percentages involved ... the referenced article simply highlights that EV variant sales in California had passed the 10% threshold which is approximately 4x the level of market penetration in China and about a third of that achieved in Norway, which is widely considered as being at the forefront of EV adoption ...

So, having answered your own query, what's the point you're struggling to argue apart from portraying the usual EV negativity, particularly so when considering Tesla ... ??

HTH
Z

Martyn1981

Martyn1981 wrote: »

Firstly calm down and be polite, or else Almillar will tell [STRIKE]you[/STRIKE] me off again.

Next, you were very specific about your claim, so I assumed you had some numbers, and hadn't mistaken the California graph for a world graph. from your 'new' response I see I was wrong to give you the benefit of the doubt. kWh's and Ah's spring to mind!

Next, the article and linked articles are not clear, they only specify that HEV's are also included in the California data.

Next (lots of next's) we also need to consider China, which may not be led by Cali? Even if you believe they are.

Finally, someone claiming to represent the BNEF team, says that the 4m doesn't include non-plug in hybrids - so, again, could you please provide me with a reference to your claims as I'm not clear what the make-up of the 4m is, whilst you are apparently certain.

Thanks.

BTW still sticking with 22x or is an apology now in order?

Where'd Ade go? Why does he disappear every time I ask him to evidence his claims ........ starting to think he doesn't like me.

AdrianC

I'm not big on endlessly repeating things to people who clearly didn't listen the first time.