Are degrees in the UK value for money?

adindas

zagubov wrote: »

There was a newspaper headline a while back where a politician attended the opening ceremony of a new HE drama school. Some bright spark pointed out that it might aid a few people's personal development but would propel extra people into an already overcrowded job market with a dire employment record. Hardly anybody with degrees in it make their living in showbiz.

I imagine young people think studying drama they could become west-end, Hollywood stars.

They ended up becoming a street entertainer (if they want it) and /or , working in the area that does not need a drama degree at al. Worse glamour or !!!!!! star perhaps ?? But many !!!!!!-stars do not even go to university at al.

Samething with the youngsters finishing A-Level go directly to uni to study sport management, hoping finishing their degree they could become a manager in sport center, events. They end up working as a caddy or working as a receptionist, a servant in a sport center.

It is the role of the parents who have seen that all to tell the youngsters that it is a cutthroat industry, The people who manage to reach that level is on the extreme side, very talented with luck.

gfplux

Dird wrote: »

From France, Germany and Spain. France & Spain are the easiest to fill (comparative/worse home nation salaries and previous empires mean cheap African/Latin American labour if closer to home proves difficult). Just as Chinese teachers are imported from China. German proves more difficult to fill (higher salaries at home) but maybe there's enough available like all the people lining up to teach English abroad.

Or better yet, scrap foreign language classes and make Asia stop dominating Brits in STEM.

I have to point out that African French teachers would have a French African Accent. South American Spanish speakers have a South American Spanish accent. You should understand this matters.
That is NOT a way to teach a Language to a good/high standard.

You should also consider that EU teachers might not be allowed in to Britain after Brexit. We are waiting to see what the new rules will be.

adindas

gfplux wrote: »

You should also consider that EU teachers might not be allowed in to Britain after Brexit. We are waiting to see what the new rules will be.

It will not happen for the same reason why the people from English speaking countries will keep teaching English abroad even in the countries with highly protected economies like few in Asia.

Cakeguts

zagubov wrote: »

There was a newspaper headline a while back where a politician attended the opening ceremony of a new HE drama school. Some bright spark pointed out that it might aid a few people's personal development but would propel extra people into an already overcrowded job market with a dire employment record. Hardly anybody with degrees in it make their living in showbiz.

There is a BTEC in Performing Arts that is actually a time filler for students to stay in education until they are 18. If you read the advertising for the course it makes a lot of claims using clever words like "might" or "could" to imply what the qualification might lead onto. Unfortunately the kind of student who would be interested in BTEC Performing Arts is likely to be the least academic type and they can't read the advertising literature and take it with a pinch of salt.

So for them to go to an HE college after this "qualification" would be great for the HE college and employment for the HE college workers and it would prey on the least able students. I would guess that it was someone's good idea for making money?

I would suggest that the BTEC Performing Arts course is discontinued because you can't get into performing arts this way. It is entirely a time filler course but I think that this time could be filled more productively for the students. However if BTEC run these completely useless courses you can see why students think that a performing arts course at university will lead to a job. Schools are supposed to educate their students not fill their time in for them.

Cakeguts

There are 11 dud universities in London. London is short of housing. The simple answer is to close them all offer the courses as evening classes in local schools and build housing on the sites.

adindas

If you notice you will see this sort of things almost on daily basis.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/72116648#Comment_72116648

It is not that that difficult to predict where you might be ending up. The chance that people be in this situation is great if they just study for fun, study what they want and not demand driven based on job market research.

ruperts

I did a part time vocational degree funded by my employer at a Uni with a good reputation in that subject. I came out employed and was earning above the national average straight away but I still resent having to have done the course. It was terrible, the course content was all at least ten years behind the industry, often even older than that. It was full of filler subjects to stretch it out into a degree yet neglected most of the fundamental practices of the modern profession. The disconnection between the academics and the reality of the profession was staggering. If I'd have had to pay £9k+ per year for it I'd have been pig sick. The course took five years but could have easily been condensed into one. The lectures were so painfully slow paced that I stopped attending almost completely from the 2nd year onwards. I put an average of about two hours per week into it learning at my own pace and came out with a comfortable first. I'm not super smart or anything, the course was just ridiculous. I do feel that the degrees which are now required for a lot of vocational careers are basically scams. There is absolutely no point to these qualifications other than to force people into debt.

DigForVictory

Just a little something to ponder as you wonder if the degree is worth it - an article on what percentage were in employment post university

westernpromise

DigForVictory wrote: »

Just a little something to ponder as you wonder if the degree is worth it - an article on what percentage were in employment post university

You have to be careful how to use that sort of info though. I have known many, many Oxbridge graduates who were far too grand to get a job when they left. They weren't about to get some ghastly job in industry or do any nonsense like work productively for a good salary. No, they wanted to enjoy whatever they did and they would just doss around until that job came and found them.

One character I know like that graduated at 21 and has sat on his bottom in London ever since. He's now 30 and has done nothing since but little hobby jobs here and there, while fighting for social justice from the £800k flat he did nothing to earn because his mother gave it to him for nothing.

He is now pretty much unemployable, and it's wholly a choice. There is quite a lot of that about. Graduate unemployment reflect, I reckon, the demographics of the graduates rather than their actual employability.

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westernpromise wrote: »

You have to be careful how to use that sort of info though. I have known many, many Oxbridge graduates who were far too grand to get a job when they left. They weren't about to get some ghastly job in industry or do any nonsense like work productively for a good salary. No, they wanted to enjoy whatever they did and they would just doss around until that job came and found them.

One character I know like that graduated at 21 and has sat on his bottom in London ever since. He's now 30 and has done nothing since but little hobby jobs here and there, while fighting for social justice from the £800k flat he did nothing to earn because his mother gave it to him for nothing.

He is now pretty much unemployable, and it's wholly a choice. There is quite a lot of that about. Graduate unemployment reflect, I reckon, the demographics of the graduates rather than their actual employability.

Not to mention.. employed as what? If half the graduates from Keele are working in coffee shops and call centres then it doesn't reflect well on this study.

How about a '5 years after graduation average wage' study? http://www.graddiary.com/careers-advice/uk-university-graduate-salary-rankings/

http://www.graddiary.com/careers-advice/uk-university-graduate-salary-rankings/

But what sort of study is that? How did they gather information? How biased is it? The numbers look off.. they're too high. I doubt the sample was big enough and representative of the graduate population to capture the low end of the salaries.