Compulsory Smart Meters.

Rubidium

House_Martin wrote: »

Personally I would nt be waiting the possibly ten years it will take before you end up with a SMETS2 meter . If you like EON, and they are one of the better run foreign outfits, get the smart meter and be done with messing about with readings , estimates and meter readers with their muddy boots knocking you up at 8 am !,I work for British Gas , they have been installing smart meters for over 9 years and they are nowhere near complete. They WILL be made compulsory eventually so why bother waiting, get the things fitted now and be done with the hassle. You get a nice new toy to play with in the shape of an in house monitor which will give you endless fun showing you how much you have paid that day in energy.It will force you into going round switching lights off, PC monitors or phone chargers or TVs on standby etc

Yet another post by House Martian lacking a single fact, just the very strange deluded opinions of a G4S meter reader.

Most forum members are not children and simply don't want "a nice new toy" especially when it is unfit for purpose, supplier switch incompatible and already out of date.

There are millions of stick in the muds on their suppliers most expensive standard variable rate tariffs, so let them be the uninformed idiots who say yes to smart meters, so that the big six suppliers can meet their agreed quotas for the year!

Each successive post shows savvy MSE'ers just how little you actually know about metering e.g. your classic post #3 in this thread here

Unbelievable misguided advice best ignored!

System

People on prepayment meters are not , as you ignorantly say, "uninformed idiots " but they are some of the poorest in the UK trapped on standard/variable meters and unable to get them removed due to poor credit scores..Smart prepayment meters will lower their tariffs..as they have done in Northern Ireland. They are the way forward .
Rubidium ! before you started gracing the energy forum with your usual bad manners , for years I always multiplied metric gas units by 11 and Imperial by 33 when customers needed any advice as they often did on how to get from gas units to kwh. Its close enough for me and everyone else, however I was nt aware that there was a difference by area in the exact figure, and neither did you if you were honest .My opinions on smart meters follow OFGEMs advice and every supplier in the UK.
I do not work for G4S , they have done a deal to get rid of us and sold us to a "holding company " owned or managed by First Reserve who own Morrisons.We are now known as MDS..Morrisons Data Services...all very odd ! So now officially I`m an employee of MDS

System

Norman_Castle wrote: »

I live in a flat on the second floor in one of two semi detached houses. My electric meter is indoors on the ground floor. My gas meter is outside on the ground floor on the opposite side of the two houses. I have no problem reading them once a month. Highly unlikely smart meters will work properly for me so despite zero benefit I will still be forced to pay for them.

Dont know where you got that duff info from.They will work for you , why not ? and where did you get that info that you re going to pay for them..on here probably from the anti smart lot !.If its a standard meter exchange I don t hear this nonsense about extra costs.Smarts don`t cost that much more and most of the cost of ANY meter exchange is in the labour costs and the smart meter will start to earn its keep from the minute its installed...i.Some people on here sound like fully paid up members of the full- on loony club at "stopsmartmetersUK. latest from that bunch of "fake news " paranoids is that "smart meters cause suicides " they re worse than Donald Trump !!

molerat

House_Martin wrote: »

OK you submit your readings like a good boy but millions don `t ! and YOU end up paying a lot more every year , through inflated bills, as much as £120 a year per customer, picking up the tab for all the debtors, energy thieves who either thieve energy or submit stupidly low reads whilst they are renting then move on to another landlord sucker. Your misguided advice is only aimed at decent people who pay their way. There are people out there who think its their god given right to have free energy( and rent ) and some of the posters on here are helping their cause .In 2017 I hope you people will look at smart meters in a different sensible light and stop advising people to refuse one to wait ten years for a Smets2. Even if the smart meter becomes dumb they still present a far better defence against energy theft especially in prepayment meter mode.

Flawed logic there I am afraid. The non payers are the ones that will object to having a smart meter fitted because they know the score so wasting all this money giving them to us "good boys" will make not £1 of difference in the debt mountain. Why are they not force fitted to those properties where it will make a difference - quite simply because this dysfunctional energy industry will always take the easy option when there is some other patsy to foot the bill. I have no objection to smart meters (that actually work) but as an energy tart why bother for, at best, 12 months of effective use !

Rubidium

More predictable insults from our resident fantasist meter reader.

You have the cheek to state that I am ignorant, bad mannered and dishonest, yet more stupid wild assumptions from you and pot, kettle, black immediately comes to mind!

I have only ever posted factual information about smart meters, not the uncorroborated, repetitive rubbish that you continue to post at every possible opportunity.

Posting about something that you obviously have such little technical understanding of, simply makes you look foolish and helps nobody, however many times you post, so stick to the facts!

Each time you post your fictional misguided thoughts, they will be corrected by someone who actually understands the subject and more readers will then know the truth about smart metering.

Smart MSE'ers will continue to say no to smart meters until the pathetic roll-out is sorted out and installed smart meters are fully functional, regardless of what you preach and there is only one "fully paid up members of the full- on loony club" posting regular rubbish on here.

SuiDreams

Smart meters will make absolutely no positive difference to me. I read my meters myself regularly and track my own spend, I've lowered my usage as much as possible, a smart meter wont effect how much I use.


I'd rather not have one installed as all its going to do, is most likely cost me a days holiday from work as you have to be in the property when they are being installed (especially annoying with outside meters).

Ken68

The smart meter fitter will also want access to your boiler and gas fire.
Also the chap that did mine was formerly a meter reader. Now trained up and earning more.

Rubidium

Ken68 wrote: »

The smart meter fitter will also want access to your boiler and gas fire.
Also the chap that did mine was formerly a meter reader. Now trained up and earning more.

That's what is really pi$$ing him off, he is frustrated because he is only a meter reader and unable to train as a meter fitter.

phillw

House_Martin wrote: »

Personally I would nt be waiting the possibly ten years it will take before you end up with a SMETS2 meter.

I'd say that ten years is not very likely, but the SMETS2 standard was published in 2012 & we still have no idea when they will start rolling out. Supposedly anyone with a SMETS1 meters will be upgraded by 2020 to SMETS2 (either by software or a new meter).

What you need to!ask yourself is whether you want a smart meter from your current provider. If!you switch regularly then it probably isn't worth taking the day off work to let them fit it.

The only MSE benefit is if you use more energy during the cheap times on a tariff that charges different rates depending on the time or day of week.

I'm not sure they can stop sending out meter readers completely when you have a smart meter as they always said that they have to!visit!once a year for safety reasons (unless they were lying, in which case someone ought to make a big deal about that).

System

phillw wrote: »

I'm not sure they can stop sending out meter readers completely when you have a smart meter as they always said that they have to!visit!once a year for safety reasons (unless they were lying, in which case someone ought to make a big deal about that).

Not entirely true I'm afraid. The safety check was once every two years (5 years for BG). In Ofgem speak (which isn't always the clearest English), suppliers now have to adopt a risk based system for meter safety checks. Meter readings have to be taken at least once per year but Ofgem isn't saying that this has to be a physical read.

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As noted in the November 2015 consultation, we believe that licence conditions 21B.4 and 21B.5 meet the objectives of billing accuracy in a more effective and efficient way than a static meter inspection interval. These conditions go further in requiring a meter read at least once a year, and allow suppliers flexibility in how they choose to obtain the meter readings.

We do not think it is good regulatory practice to retain the meter inspection conditions to provide a backstop in case of non-compliance with other conditions. If we receive evidence of non-compliance with any licence conditions, including SLC 21B, we will take suitable action. Unquote