CE fines

messi1984

Hi,

About six month ago I've received 5 fines for parking at fairfield hostpial and they are all from CE (Civil enforcement). Most of them were like pickup someone who works there, whilst there is no phone converge inside hospital I had to go and walk for about 10 mins and come back.

And today after six month received a letter from them regarding the first fine I guess I lost count threatening to take legal action and if a judgemental is obtained the option available for them are (any legal fees will be added):

A warrant of execution
Appoint court bailiff to attend to your property
Seize you vehicle or good
Apply for an attachment of earning
3rd part debt order

My questions:
1. Can I still appeal to POPLA : according to CE-service website we only can appeal within 14 days of receiving the fine.
2. any recommendation what to do I feel lost

Coupon-mad

My questions:
1. Can I still appeal to POPLA : according to CE-service website we only can appeal within 14 days of receiving the fine.
2. any recommendation what to do I feel lost

You have found us though, and we will help you. There will be no bailiff or warrant of execution or CCJ. But there is likely to be county court claim for you to learn how to defend. Others have done it from scratch, so can you.

No you can't appeal now, which is a shame because these are soooo easy to beat at POPLA, literally two template appeals each one by email and you would have seen them fold every time.

Never mind, the registered keeper can defend this and at this stage it is only a threat, a LBCCC. Search the forum board for the words 'CEL LBCCC' and 'CEL claim' to see what to send by way of response at this stage. Not a defence, yet.

But you will need one as this is likely to result in a claim. that's good, it means the whole thing will not be hanging over your head and you could not be in a better place than here for advice. We have never seen a CEL defence lost and we helped with loads in 2016, which you will find when you search those terms I suggested and sit down and read the results.

You will soon see how to respond to a LBCCC without saying who was driving.

yotmon

I think that you are a little late for a popla appeal - as you say, they required you to appeal within 14 days.

By the sound of it you are at the 'debt recovery stage' which isn't as bad as it sounds. To understand where you are in the scenario please go to the 'Newbies' thread at the top of the opening page. This will help explain what to do - if anything !

messi1984

Hello again,

Thank you for the quick advice which gave us much of assurance , I've spent good few hours reading through the posts you've mentioned and many others. I've written this letter and would like advice before I send it.

Many thanks in advance.

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Dear Sir/Madam
Thank you for your letter of [DATE]
Firstly, the alleged debt is disputed and any proceedings will be vigorously defended.
Secondly, this letter does not seem to be fully compliant with the Practice Direction and appears to be deliberately misleading to the recipient.

Please therefore provide a Letter Before Claim which complies with the requirements of Annex A Para 2 of the Practice Direction on Pre-action Conduct:
(LINK TO : justice. website pd_pre-action_conduct.pdf )

I confirm that I shall then seek advice and submit a formal Response within 30 days of receipt.

Please ensure that someone does actually read and respond to this letter, providing the specific information relating to the proceeding that your company intends to make against myself as the defendant to the proposed legal proceedings. Please DO NOT send a generic FAQ letter in reply as to do so does not meet the requirements of the Practice Direction and will take this matter no further forward.

Please note, a refusal to comply with the Practice Direction will result in an immediate referral to the Solicitors Regulation Authority for breach of the Principles contained in the SRA Handbook version 8, published on 1st October 2013.

I trust this will not be necessary, and look forward to receiving a fully compliant letter before claim in due course.

Yours faithfully

pappa_golf

presumably the origional tickets were issued by ANPR method , did you get 5 letters within 14 days of each "offence"

messi1984

It wasn't ANPR, they were windscreen yellow tickets. I got one or two within 14 days.

pappa_golf

ok I think you need to start giving more info

if you got the first ticket ,why did you park 2nd , 3rd 4th and 5th time , when you knew there was a problem after seeing the first ticket?

It wasn't ANPR, they were windscreen yellow tickets. I got one or two within 14 days. did you? ,

lets have a full rundown on ticket dates and the corresponding letters from CEL , because without this info you may be given false answers and false hope


ticket 1 date

ticket 2 date

ticket 3 date

ticket 4 date

ticket 5 date

ticket 1 Notice to keeper letter date

ticket 2 Notice to keeper letter date

ticket 3 Notice to keeper letter date

ticket 4 Notice to keeper letter date

ticket 5 Notice to keeper letter date

sorry to sound hard , they cant send a NTK within 14 days for a ticket on the car , , if they have goofed up , then you can get even , but all the right info is needed

messi1984

The tickets were in different places on the same site i.e. different locations. The story behind it is that the hospital is very big and by the time you get cash and change it to coins and return to the car a ticket would have been issued. My partner works at the hospital and there are times when she can't leave her job due to emergencies. We were told to ignore any tickets and letters. The last letter was only about one of the tickets and not all of them.

pappa_golf

ok , thanks for filling in the blank info

messi1984

Shall I go ahead with above letter?

pappa_golf

Please note, a refusal to comply with the Practice Direction will result in an immediate referral to the Solicitors Regulation Authority for breach of the Principles contained in the SRA Handbook version 8, published on 1st October 2013.

was the letter signed by a solisitor?