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Why Do Some Cyclists Run Red Lights?
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I don't think they're different people. I do think there are motorists who will only recognise their own perspective and as such will only ask other motorists with the expectation of being agreed with.do you really think they are different people?
Do you use the same mode of transport wherever you go?
Although the OP posed this as a question I expect it was a criticism of cyclists behaviour and an invitation for other motorists to add critical comments. There's no real interest in why some cyclists do this.0 -
I misread your post sorry!.0
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Norman_Castle wrote: »LOL. Give up. Its a study of cyclists behaviour at red lights. If you want to discredit the study provide evidence other than wishful thinking.
OK. See my post #65 above.
TfL appear to have ignored cyclists jumping amber lights in order to understate the extent of their criminality.0 -
You may well be right with that - certainly in Central London where I walk most working days.I see cars "shooting" by cars most weeks as well and you can see many examples on dashcam video compilations on youtube, perhaps in London traffic is so busy the opportunity doesn't come up as often for the latter.
Well, I focus on it because I'm the pedestrian with a "green man" signal and therefore most likely to be injured (not necessarily killed) by the determined cyclist...Certainly I admit a bike is going slower and can avoid pedestrians but focusing on that is like my favourite analogy, complaining to the dam owners about a 6" crack in the dam wall while ignoring the 2m wide hole right next to it.
You mean the cyclist who freewheels up to the red light and makes a stop-go decision based on the risk to them? I see some who do that and then accelerate if they think their path is safe (half-shooting?) and some who go straight through at cruising speed. And to be fair - some will only go through when there are no pedestrians about. This is the case where it may well be better to alter the phasing of the lights or allow a cycle-only gap. Very near to my office is a pretty good cycle lane with it's own traffic lights where this could work.What I normally see* when I do see a is a variation on this - the cyclist that effectively treats the red light as "proceed at caution". This is not normally at speed.I need to think of something new here...0 -
Cornucopia wrote: »I think that's a somewhat skewed approach to the data. (And between the various TfL sources that have been quoted, there does seem to be the whiff of denial in the air).
It's not rocket science that a car or other large vehicle is capable of doing much more severe damage in the event of a collision than a pedal cycle. That, to me, is a separate issue to whether cyclists abusing traffic light installation and other rules of the road are creating an unnecessary hostile environment to other road users. There is a further issue as to whether policing and enforcement are adequate, given the particular challenges of a largely anonymous cyclist population.
I can see some merit in this - punishing people according to the kinetic energy of their careering vehicle. I'd certainly like to see some of the appalling driving by White Ven Men and Dumper Trucks being suitably dealt with.
The point with this is that focusing on the idiots on bikes who jump red lights is silly when cars do it and cause more damage. A cyclist who jumps a red light endangers himself for the most part while a small % cause accidents with pedestrians - fine them yes but focus on the bigger issue
I saw figures when looking at this earlier than thousands of cyclists are fined every year in London for jumping red lights or ignoring street signs. The lack of reg plates is a red herring too, many drivers have dirty plates you can't read, others have cloned plates, an increasing trend among boy racers is to remove the front plate and put it on the dashboard so front facing ANPR can't get them (they can turn the plate over when approaching say an average speed camera)Sam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness:
People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.
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Well, I focus on it because I'm the pedestrian with a "green man" signal and therefore most likely to be injured (not necessarily killed) by the determined cyclist...
As I quoted before, TFL data from 2013 showed only 4% of injuries to pedestrians from red light jumping traffic is caused by bikes, 71% is from cars. You are nearly 18x more likely to be hit by a red light jumping car in a city than a bike assuming the data from London is similar in cities around the UK.Sam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness:
People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.
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anotheruser wrote: »I am trying to understand something in life.
Why do some cyclists run red lights, and perhaps do other things that contravene the highway code.
I know there's an excuse of some cyclists feet are attached to the pedals, or that it takes a lot more effort to pull off from a standing start, but then a car is the same, with the latter anyway!
So just wondering why some cyclists think it's okay?
So you started a topic that is always controversial, the last topic like this went for pages and a related one went on for many many more pages.
Your behaviour in this thread smacks of creatures that live under bridges.
I would give you the benefit of the doubt, but why have you not participated in the thread after lighting the fuse?0 -
As I quoted before, TFL data from 2013 showed only 4% of injuries to pedestrians from red light jumping traffic is caused by bikes, 71% is from cars. You are nearly 18x more likely to be hit by a red light jumping car in a city than a bike assuming the data from London is similar in cities around the UK.
That really doesn't sound right. Where does the "18x" come from?0
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