XBox One S - just died - first console fail in 20 years...

FredG

dekaspace wrote: »

Six of one, whilst it was more common for launch PS3s to have issues they were still mainstream its just Sony and their fanboys loved to make people focus on the 360s failures over the PS3, not calling you a fanboy by the way, saying fanboys spread lies.

I was never a heavy user but had my launch 360 for 4 years never had an issue, my launch PS3 had a habit of overheating and sounding like a hoover and crashing, even after I took it apart and repasted it and cleaned the fans (that weren't dirty in first place)

Whilst the PS3 had bluray is was locked down and for first few years more expensive than hd dvd, most of my films were imported specialist (like anime) so the PS3 refused to play them.

360 played far more filetypes than PS3 though often required a tiny update.

And PSN wasn't bad as much as the far worst experience, did you forget the major hack and it being down for months? Everyone I knew including myself had terrible slow updates or downloads, I had a 20 meg connection at the time and was lucky if I had a constant 1 meg download, 360 most of the time maxed out the download.

I am not a fanboy but still have a bitter taste about how I was (wrongfully) banned off PSN after not going online for months then going online with a PS3 I just bought used, having a few laggy online games then banned for "cheating" I can only assume the people who lost the games that lagged assumed I was using a lag switch, and as a result lost about £400 of PSN games, there were still physically on my hard drive but deactivated/turned into demos and as the only games I bought were multiplayer they were useless even if they did work.

Many good points but the fact that your PS3 had issues and your 360 didn't is merely circumstancial. The PS3's failure rate was much lower than the 360 and there are numerous figures to support this. Both launched with inherent manufacturing faults but one was more prevalent.

donnajunkie

FredG wrote: »

I remember the huge hack that brought the PSN down for ages - luckily I was moving house at the time so it didn't effect me at all and I got some free games for the "inconvenience".


To be honest, as it was a free service I gave the PSN a pass when I had issues. Since it's been supported by the paid PS Plus service it's improved a hell of a lot and the content is fantastic.


Haven't bothered with an Xbox One this gen, Sony has snared me.

the psn hack had no impact on me but i did benefit from getting 2 free games. i only bother with what you get for free now, i dont pay for ps plus. i wasnt massively into multiplayer and i think you have to be to justify paying for it at all.

donnajunkie

dekaspace wrote: »

Six of one, whilst it was more common for launch PS3s to have issues they were still mainstream its just Sony and their fanboys loved to make people focus on the 360s failures over the PS3, not calling you a fanboy by the way, saying fanboys spread lies.

I was never a heavy user but had my launch 360 for 4 years never had an issue, my launch PS3 had a habit of overheating and sounding like a hoover and crashing, even after I took it apart and repasted it and cleaned the fans (that weren't dirty in first place)

Whilst the PS3 had bluray is was locked down and for first few years more expensive than hd dvd, most of my films were imported specialist (like anime) so the PS3 refused to play them.

360 played far more filetypes than PS3 though often required a tiny update.

And PSN wasn't bad as much as the far worst experience, did you forget the major hack and it being down for months? Everyone I knew including myself had terrible slow updates or downloads, I had a 20 meg connection at the time and was lucky if I had a constant 1 meg download, 360 most of the time maxed out the download.

I am not a fanboy but still have a bitter taste about how I was (wrongfully) banned off PSN after not going online for months then going online with a PS3 I just bought used, having a few laggy online games then banned for "cheating" I can only assume the people who lost the games that lagged assumed I was using a lag switch, and as a result lost about £400 of PSN games, there were still physically on my hard drive but deactivated/turned into demos and as the only games I bought were multiplayer they were useless even if they did work.

yeah fanboys will slag off the opposing system but i dont think you can put the widely known issue of the ring of death down to ps fanboys.
by the time i got a ps3 there were plenty of blurays around and they werent all imports or anime.
as far as file types go the simple solution is to use the free any video converter to convert it to a type that works on ps3.
never had any issues with downloads myself on either network.
your last issue was more a customer service issue rather than an issue with quality of the system.
i got booted out of a game of halo 3 once because i had accidentally killed a team mate 3 times. looking at the stats afterwards my score beat the next best players score by at least 10. i had had the best game i had ever had i was just unlucky to take out 1 of my team mates a few times while taking out the enemy. it would be a case of tossing a grenade at 3 enemies only to find one of my team mates was around the corner and got caught in the explosion.

Johnmcl7

The PS3 YLOD and the Xbox 360 RROD weren't the same, the problem with the Xbox 360 was a design and manufacturing defect so the failure rate was massive and far beyond what is normally expected. While the cause of the PS3 YLOD was similar, the failure rates appeared to be within the expected rate of failure. As components have become faster and vastly more complex, it's meant a move to much smaller and numerous contact points on the CPU/GPU which in turn can hurt reliability - it's not that unusual for high end graphics cards with hugely complex cores and cutting edge memory to have relatively short lives in comparison to their lower powered and simpler siblings.

I had a top end AMD card that barely last a month before its core started failing and in the machine after, one of a pair of top end cards didn't last much over a year before it completely failed. There was nothing wrong with either card's design or manufacturing process.

Nothing above is a slight against the 360, just the way it was - even with its potential failures, I preferred it over the PS3 and it felt like a more polished system, I much preferred the analogue triggers on the 360 controller as well.

John

dekaspace

donnajunkie wrote: »

yeah fanboys will slag off the opposing system but i dont think you can put the widely known issue of the ring of death down to ps fanboys.
by the time i got a ps3 there were plenty of blurays around and they werent all imports or anime.
as far as file types go the simple solution is to use the free any video converter to convert it to a type that works on ps3.
never had any issues with downloads myself on either network.
your last issue was more a customer service issue rather than an issue with quality of the system.
i got booted out of a game of halo 3 once because i had accidentally killed a team mate 3 times. looking at the stats afterwards my score beat the next best players score by at least 10. i had had the best game i had ever had i was just unlucky to take out 1 of my team mates a few times while taking out the enemy. it would be a case of tossing a grenade at 3 enemies only to find one of my team mates was around the corner and got caught in the explosion.

Sony fanboys and Sony themselves it seemed seemed to mention the 360s failure rate at every opportunity though, and act as if the PS3 was near perfect and whilst the PS3 was less likely it was still large enough that by around the 2011 mark when the units were a few years old it seemed to occur very often even with slims,

As for the file conversion, yes I knew about that but every one I tried either took a long time, increased file size as well as often decreasing the video quality by a huge margin and the file was just overall worse.

I never said all the blu rays around were import and animes, but meant the blu rays I bought were specialist so only available on import such as anime boxsets, even now I have some films that were only relased in certain countries outside of Europe so I needed to import them (or get them through illegal methods)

RROD was a huge issue either way but it had a extended warranty due to it, whilst Sonys failures it was a "tough luck" attitude to failures.

I have always been more into games on a Sony system, that being said I had no interest in PS3 and PS4 exclusives, and many of the best 360 and ONE exclusives were on the pc, I only ever used both systems for the ports of old online games like Street Fighter/Capcom fighter franchises that never had a physical release or on pc(at least online capable) or games that had multi player modes like the retro Sonic games that had 2p online.

FredG wrote: »

Many good points but the fact that your PS3 had issues and your 360 didn't is merely circumstancial. The PS3's failure rate was much lower than the 360 and there are numerous figures to support this. Both launched with inherent manufacturing faults but one was more prevalent.

More prevalent yes, but still large enough to have a big impact it was just everyone focused on the 360s failures over the PS3 as by then the damage was done.

Johnmcl7 wrote: »

The PS3 YLOD and the Xbox 360 RROD weren't the same, the problem with the Xbox 360 was a design and manufacturing defect so the failure rate was massive and far beyond what is normally expected. While the cause of the PS3 YLOD was similar, the failure rates appeared to be within the expected rate of failure. As components have become faster and vastly more complex, it's meant a move to much smaller and numerous contact points on the CPU/GPU which in turn can hurt reliability - it's not that unusual for high end graphics cards with hugely complex cores and cutting edge memory to have relatively short lives in comparison to their lower powered and simpler siblings.

I had a top end AMD card that barely last a month before its core started failing and in the machine after, one of a pair of top end cards didn't last much over a year before it completely failed. There was nothing wrong with either card's design or manufacturing process.

Nothing above is a slight against the 360, just the way it was - even with its potential failures, I preferred it over the PS3 and it felt like a more polished system, I much preferred the analogue triggers on the 360 controller as well.

John

One thing I heard back then was a big part was the change to tin I think solder over lead due to EU regulations, it melted at a lower point than lead hence the RROD being due to the solder balls melting then hardening when system was off, it makes sense when you heard about the professional reballings online meaning consoles never RROD after that, and by time of the slim technology improved so temps were lower.

I had a bad run of graphics cards until about 4 years ago, from the AMD 4 series up to the 6 series, They ran about 60 degrees idle and loud fans as they were designed to go full whack at all time and newer cards designed to throttle back when not needed, I often got black screen,s and it was hit or miss that taking it out of system and repasting it/reseating it made the card work or kill it, I kept buying the 4870 or getting replacements and they would often last until I did something like move pc to another room, or remove card to dust inside of pc at which point they would die.

donnajunkie

Personally none of my knowledge of ring of death came from reading sony sources.
with size of file conversion you may find tweaking the setting will reduce what the size will be. It could take a bit of time I guess but I only ever did it to watch the odd thing downloaded from the net. There may well be other software that performs the task better.
Dont you like uncharted or the last of us?

FredG

dekaspace wrote: »

Sony fanboys and Sony themselves it seemed seemed to mention the 360s failure rate at every opportunity though, and act as if the PS3 was near perfect and whilst the PS3 was less likely it was still large enough that by around the 2011 mark when the units were a few years old it seemed to occur very often even with slims,

RROD was a huge issue either way but it had a extended warranty due to it, whilst Sonys failures it was a "tough luck" attitude to failures.


More prevalent yes, but still large enough to have a big impact it was just everyone focused on the 360s failures over the PS3 as by then the damage was done.



One thing I heard back then was a big part was the change to tin I think solder over lead due to EU regulations, it melted at a lower point than lead hence the RROD being due to the solder balls melting then hardening when system was off, it makes sense when you heard about the professional reballings online meaning consoles never RROD after that, and by time of the slim technology improved so temps were lower.

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Just to outline your points, of course Sony are going to point to a rival's achilles heel, they're a business. As for the "fanboys" reference, I don't think making a comment based on actual factual findings is fanboyish.


The past two year warranty failure rates for initial models were 23.7% for 360 and 10% for PS3. That's over double. When the RROD was also a fault causing consoles well within warranty to fail (as you note they extended this which was commendable) and the YLOD was a problem due to the solder cracking over time, those figures will actually look a bit more favourable for MS.


MS initially dealt with the situation poorly but when they admitted there was a problem they really went the extra mile for their consumers which is to be commended but pointing out the initial debacle does not make someone a "fanboy".

motorguy

pelo wrote: »

If it's only 2 months old why send it to Microsoft?
Simply take it back to where you got it from and you should get a new one.

Yes, i probably should have done that. It was Tescos - not sure what they would have done.

I've sent it off to Microsoft now. Will see what happens.

dekaspace

FredG wrote: »

Just to outline your points, of course Sony are going to point to a rival's achilles heel, they're a business. As for the "fanboys" reference, I don't think making a comment based on actual factual findings is fanboyish.

The past two year warranty failure rates for initial models were 23.7% for 360 and 10% for PS3. That's over double. When the RROD was also a fault causing consoles well within warranty to fail (as you note they extended this which was commendable) and the YLOD was a problem due to the solder cracking over time, those figures will actually look a bit more favourable for MS.

MS initially dealt with the situation poorly but when they admitted there was a problem they really went the extra mile for their consumers which is to be commended but pointing out the initial debacle does not make someone a "fanboy".

Except the comments from Sony fans was essentially that the 360 was a piece of junk and PS3 had no problems, rather than say it had a higher failure rate and the PS3 had its own problems.

Even at the end of the consoles life Sony fans still claimed the 360 was a piece of junk and PS3s failures were rare occurances (even older models)

A lot of the arguments at the time basically just said "The 360 fails all the time, PS3 is well built"

rockey100

Was it second hand? I generally detest most technology, never been a fan of gaming personally.