LED light bulbs

almillar

But ....... you've now commented a couple on times on seeing them, but I noted you didn't say you bought one. So the point you missed in my response, was that you have simply assumed they are no good, without trying one, and you can't even blame the lumens as they passed your test. So 3 of us have tried them and found them fine, whilst you've 'seen them in the shop' and are telling people they are no good. Seriously!

Marty, come on. You're making my point for me. Do you think it's possible we're talking about different LEDs, and that at some point HB have stocked good ones? And no, I haven't 'assumed' - I read the details on the labels. You need to specify to people what you bought, and what it's good for, not just the shop you bought it from.

I asked why you assume that people don't choose a new lamp to match an old lamp?

And I answered - I've answered loads of questions on this forum where people are totally confused about how to switch to LED. What you seem to think is obvious to everyone, because it's obvious to you (and me), is NOT obvious to everyone at all. It pays to be clear, or you'll get into pointless arguments on the internet!

Result. Can I suggest next time you ask me, and we can have a friendly chat. If you assume and criticise ...... it don't go so well.

Good stuff. Will do.

TOTAL LIE!

I supplied the information on the 24th Feb
You had a go on the 27th Feb

Ah right, this isn't the exchange I thought you were referring to. As already explained in relation to this exchange, I was replying to multiple posts, in order.

What I have been referring to is your original post of 20th Dec, and subsequent ones UP TO 24th Feb, when you finally did supply the info. So that's 2 months of you refusing to provide info (and no, you're not under any compulsion to do it at all, except that some randomer asked you to!), and 3 days overlap where you HAD supplied it. And I corrected myself in the very same post, as you've already pointed out to me. Should I have gone back and edited it? Maybe. Leave it at that.

At this stage you are probably at lie to the power 5, as you keep lying about lying about ........ are you starting to see why the word troll popped up?

You keep throwing around the words 'lie' and 'troll' (and seem to enjoy it), I don't accept them. You don't accept my explanation of how I read this forum, and reply to posts in turn. Again, we're not going to agree here.

You repeatedly use the term 'I bet' to try to get away with a false claim. Do I seem like the sort of person that's going to let you get away with that? Are you starting to see why the word troll popped up?

Yes, that IS the term that I use. I never stated as fact what you had in your house. I didn't know, so I speculated. That's not lying. Better information from the start, or when asked, would prevent this.

almillar

So they pass your lumens test,

NO! The ones I saw with my own eyes DID NOT. The ones you bought, you didn't state the lumens originally. THAT IS MY POINT! It's clear at this point that we were talking about different produts, and I can tell by reading lumems figures whether to waste my money 'trying' something. Next time you share your experience of buying lights, would you mind simply quoting your lumens, which you've already stated is so OBVIOUS that I'm a troll for pointing out.

There are millions of things I haven't bought or tried, shall I tell people they are no good too.

If a tin of dog food says 'not fit for human consumption' I don't need to eat it to find out.

Or you'll falsely create a pointless argument, then desperately defend it, even after admitting that you were wrong about everything ..... or simply assume a lamp is bad!

'Read the specifications of a lamp and check it against what you're replacing.' That's my argument. Is it pointless? You don't answer, instead telling me it's obvious. Is it pointless, or is it obvious? Please separate this from my 'bets', which I have apologised for.

So you say 2 months, when in truth it was 3 days and 6hrs.

Fraid this looks like blatant trolling, making false statements deliberately to create/maintain an argument.

Ah - I didn't check the date of my post. Scrub that then. Sorry. I didn't think we'd been arguing for 2 months just yet!

and also say you have gone back and edited it.

Untrue. I asked, hypothetically if I should have. I answered myself, 'maybe'. But I did not edit it, and never claimed to. You've misread, or made-up.

You've claimed today that I refused to supply you with the information for 2 months, but that's a blatant lie.

Got that wrong, accepted, apologies.

a proportionately lower lumens than the HB lamps that supposedly don't give off enough light, and which to your surprise(?) aren't available in 'B27' form?

What do you even mean by proportionately lower lumens? Lumens per watt? This tells us the efficiency of a lamp, which is useful, sure, but this one gives off far more light. I stated replacing 80-100W bulb in my example, you left that out. Ikea don't do B22 (yes, 22!) but they do sell E27-B22 adaptors.

I'm away for a week now, just in case I get accused of anything...

Martyn1981

almillar wrote: »

NO! The ones I saw with my own eyes DID NOT. The ones you bought, you didn't state the lumens originally. THAT IS MY POINT! It's clear at this point that we were talking about different produts, and I can tell by reading lumems figures whether to waste my money 'trying' something. Next time you share your experience of buying lights, would you mind simply quoting your lumens, which you've already stated is so OBVIOUS that I'm a troll for pointing out.

Sounds like spin. You can't just tell people who have bought the product that they are all wrong. Rather daft attitude, and excuse.

almillar wrote: »

If a tin of dog food says 'not fit for human consumption' I don't need to eat it to find out.

Putting aside the fact that tins of dog food are classed as fit for human consumption (though not recommended), I find it odd that you've been having a go at me in post after post for sharing my real experience of some lamps, but think it's ok for you to share your none experience.

almillar wrote: »

'Read the specifications of a lamp and check it against what you're replacing.' That's my argument. Is it pointless? You don't answer, instead telling me it's obvious. Is it pointless, or is it obvious? Please separate this from my 'bets', which I have apologised for.

Was that another attempt at spin? My issue is that you have repeatedly assumed (for me and others) that we don't check, nor compare. You've stated that I sit in the dark because I've installed cheap lamps.

So don't backpeddle. You dived in with false claims and bad advice. Bad advice because you instantly assumed that cheaper lamps were no good. You've now acknowledged that that advice was wrong, and are now supporting the very lamps I was pleased with.

almillar wrote: »

Ah - I didn't check the date of my post. Scrub that then. Sorry. I didn't think we'd been arguing for 2 months just yet!

Seriously! you don't seem to check much, perhaps that's why you assume we don't.

You complain about me calling you a liar, then lie about 3 days being 2 months, but still come straight back for more arguments. Just how wrong do you have to be, and how many times before you stop?

I note you haven't complained in this post about my stating (as a fact) that you are a liar. So hopefully that issue has also been sorted today.

BTW, if you didn't think we'd been arguing for 2 months yet, then doesn't that contradict your 2 month claim. Perhaps I'm simply unable to follow you any further down the rabbit hole know as even you don't seem to know what you are talking about.

almillar wrote: »

Untrue. I asked, hypothetically if I should have. I answered myself, 'maybe'. But I did not edit it, and never claimed to. You've misread, or made-up.

True. I missed out the word should in my reply.

But the question remains:

So you corrected it in the same post (did you?), and also say you should have gone back and edited it.

You didn't correct the attack, you simply answered me within your reply to Jimjames. Your failing to go back and edit the earlier comments, before posting the reply suggest either a deliberate decision to have a go at me, or an extremely poor memory.

almillar wrote: »

Got that wrong, accepted, apologies.

Thanks. Perhaps this is the best place/opportunity to suggest you stop trying to dig your way out of a hole. You are only going to keep compounding your errors.

almillar wrote: »

What do you even mean by proportionately lower lumens? Lumens per watt? This tells us the efficiency of a lamp, which is useful, sure, but this one gives off far more light. I stated replacing 80-100W bulb in my example, you left that out. Ikea don't do B22 (yes, 22!) but they do sell E27-B22 adaptors.

The HB one I bought, which you claim leaves me in the dark is 620lm from 7W, which is 88.57lm/W.

The B&Q lamps, that darken my house are 806lm from 9W, which is 89.55lm/W.

The Screwfix lamps, that leave me tripping over the cat are 806lm from 8.7W, which is 92.64lm/W.

The Lidl lamps you suggest, which are proportionately about 3x more expensive than the ones I've bought, are 1,000lm from 11.5W, which is 86.96lm/W ....... the lowest output.

Kind of funny, almost ironic, coming from you. BTW, thanks for the Lidl link, but no use to me as they are too bright, and I replace my lamps like for like on a brightness basis. I wouldn't just stick a 1,000lm lamp in - I wouldn't bet on what you might do though.

almillar wrote: »

Ikea don't do B22 (yes, 22!) but they do sell E27-B22 adaptors.

Yep, and that adds another 50p to the price of each lamp. Should have gone to Screwfix.

almillar wrote: »

I'm away for a week now, just in case I get accused of anything...

Accused or caught?

I'll miss you, but don't rush back.

Raxiel

Personally I'm quite fond of the new(er) filament lamps.

I think they look nicer, and they seem to have the best lumens/w out there.

I understand they achieve it by running a larger number of smaller LED's, meaning a lower current, with a higher voltage (closer to mains) resulting in simpler driver circuitry and less waste heat generated in the cap.

I picked mine up from a few different places in different sizes (from 100 to 950 lm) but this one from B&Q is pretty typical: http://www.diy.com/departments/diall-bayonet-cap-b22-6w-led-filament-classic-light-bulb/1326894_BQ.prd

Favourite so far though is probably an 8w lamp I picked up on ebay for the bathroom, 950 lumens of 4000k light, so much nicer than the 13w CFL it replaced - we'd kept it there for the same reason others suggest, something that doesn't' blind you when you need a midnight pee, but it always felt gloomy so it's not missed.

Incidentally, anyone who's interested in how LED lamps actually work, and the difference between good and bad ones (in terms of reliability & safety, not getting into the CRI argument) should look up Big Clive on youtube, he tears them apart and explains how they tick.

legoman62

Just changed my old failed 25W fridge lamp for a new LED 2.5W one:D

As the saying goes "every little helps";)

Martyn1981

B&Q have reduced the price on some of their filament LED lamps. They have some rather powerful (1,500lm) 12W lamps down to £7 or £8 from £12.

Exiled_Tyke

Can anyone here recommend a decent LED G4 bulb. I need 14 of them (so a reasonable price is a must). Preferably 20W equivalent and reasonably warm coloured. They are to go in a fitting where the bulbs can be see so noting too bulky or ugly.

Thanks in anticipation.

Martyn1981

Screwfix sale on (with almillar approved LED's ).

9W 5 pack ES £5.99. Individual at £1.37.

5.9W candle 99p

5.8W 3 pack BC £2.99

..... ok too many offerings, take a look or I'll be here all day tippy typing away.

WobblyDog

Martyn1981 wrote: »

B&Q have reduced the price on some of their filament LED lamps. They have some rather powerful (1,500lm) 12W lamps down to £7 or £8 from £12.

I've just bought a couple at the reduced price, they are very bright, if a bit bulky.

LED filament lamps with claimed efficiencies over 100 lumens per watt are a bit of a game-changer for me. With Tesco/Asda selling 800 lumen 6w lamps for £3 to £4, it makes financial sense to start replacing perfectly good CFL lamps in my house before they fail.

Now what am I going to do with the drawer full of CFL lamps I bought when Tesco were selling them for 10p each?

Martyn1981

WobblyDog wrote: »

Now what am I going to do with the drawer full of CFL lamps I bought when Tesco were selling them for 10p each?

If they're the right size/fitting then use them in the bathroom, or bed side lamps etc, so you don't get blinded if you have to switch a light on at night.

Or for items that might get broken, like work lamps or 'that' light that you keep hitting with the step ladder when you're trying to find something buried in the shed!