Challenge a PCN on a French car in London

libebcnofne

Is it ironical ?

It seems that you have a fairly degraded image of me, which is not accurate.
I pay for an insurance. Not in the UK, but still. Is it illegal ?

Everyone tries to take advantage of the system (see this website and many others). Why should I be different. Statistics show that only few people pay fines served in a foreign country. I am not worse than everyone.

fisherjim

libebcnofne wrote: »

Is it ironical ?

It seems that you have a fairly degraded image of me, which is not accurate.
I pay for an insurance. Not in the UK, but still. Is it illegal ?

Everyone tries to take advantage of the system (see this website and many others). Why should I be different. Statistics show that only few people pay fines served in a foreign country. I am not worse than everyone.

I think finding a loophole to avoid a parking fine is a bit different to your blatant admission of using our roads, and services without paying for the privilege.

If you were hit by a hit and run driver no doubt you would simply say to the police, ambulance service etc don't worry helping me I don't pay for it anyway!
And the state of our highways are in great shape no need to contribute towards their upkeep!

As for the fine you have been told they won't get you anyway.

Rover_Driver

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libebcnofne wrote: »

I understood that one is allowed to drive as a tourist for up to 6 months in a foreign country without having to register anything. I usually go back to France every 3 or 4 months.

See the link in post 9. Only a visitor has the allowance for up to 6 months in any one year - all at once or various visits not totalling more than 6 months.

Once they become a resident (as you appear to be), there is no allowance.

Guys_Dad

libebcnofne wrote: »

Is it ironical ?

It seems that you have a fairly degraded image of me, which is not accurate.
I pay for an insurance. Not in the UK, but still. Is it illegal ?

Everyone tries to take advantage of the system (see this website and many others). Why should I be different. Statistics show that only few people pay fines served in a foreign country. I am not worse than everyone.

The point is that your parents are the insurers and it is almost certain that their insurance does not cover protracted long periods - let's say semi-permanence - in another country.

You are pulling a fast one as we all suspect, avoiding UK Road Tax and probably MOT as well if applicable. As a result, it is probable that the overseas insurance company would not pay up for any accident.

Given the obvious lack of sympathy for you so far on here, then I don't believe you will be getting any much help.

However, do understand that there is a
EU Cross Border Enforcement Directive

and should you transgress in any of the following ways, you parents will be chased in their own country re your driving

• Speeding;
• Not using a seatbelt;
• Not stopping at a red traffic light or other mandatory stop signal;
• Drink driving;
• Driving under the influence of drugs;
• Not wearing a safety helmet (for motorcyclists);
• Using a forbidden lane (such as the forbidden use of an emergency lane, a lane reserved for public transport, or a lane closed down for road works);
• Illegally using a mobile phone, or any other communications device, while driving.

The_Slithy_Tove

fisherjim wrote: »

I think finding a loophole to avoid a parking fine is a bit different to your blatant admission of using our roads, and services without paying for the privilege.

That's just nonsense. While the OP may be avoiding the £100 or so VED, that's not really what pays for the roads (particularly those not owned by Highways England) - it's just another tax. I'm sure the OP pays plenty of fuel duty, VAT and probably income tax, all of which pay for all our public services and infrastructure.

No, the point is when one goes beyond finding loopholes to save money into law breaking in order to do the same. The latter cannot be condoned.

Guys_Dad

The_Slithy_Tove wrote: »

That's just nonsense. While the OP may be avoiding the £100 or so VED, that's not really what pays for the roads (particularly those not owned by Highways England) - it's just another tax. I'm sure the OP pays plenty of fuel duty, VAT and probably income tax, all of which pay for all our public services and infrastructure.

No, the point is when one goes beyond finding loopholes to save money into law breaking in order to do the same. The latter cannot be condoned.

Not sure if you are supporting or admonishing OP here. :rotfl:

In actual fact, it is probable that OP is breaking the law. See http://www.moneysupermarket.com/car-insurance/blog/additional-drivers-on-car-insurance-all-you-need-to-know/
"Is the additional driver different from the main driver?

Yes – and you should not confuse the two.
Some people put the additional driver down as the main driver in order to reduce the insurance premium (usually a parent claiming to be the main driver on one of their children’s policies).
This is a practice known as ‘fronting’, which is illegal and could lead to a criminal conviction.
It could also invalidate your insurance and make it more difficult and more expensive for you to buy cover in the future."

fisherjim

The_Slithy_Tove wrote: »

That's just nonsense. While the OP may be avoiding the £100 or so VED, that's not really what pays for the roads (particularly those not owned by Highways England) - it's just another tax. I'm sure the OP pays plenty of fuel duty, VAT and probably income tax, all of which pay for all our public services and infrastructure.

No, the point is when one goes beyond finding loopholes to save money into law breaking in order to do the same. The latter cannot be condoned.

Well I think you are also talking partial nonsense but there you are, we all know that the vast amounts collected from VED is not ringfenced for a transport pot but is lumped into general taxation.

But how do you separate it out, the fact is I pay and the OP is obviously thinking stuff you lot I am getting away with it.

nigelbb

fisherjim wrote: »

I think finding a loophole to avoid a parking fine is a bit different to your blatant admission of using our roads, and services without paying for the privilege.

Don't be so harsh. The OP is paying for the privilege every time they buy something & pay VAT. They will be paying income tax on their salary. Road Tax isn't hypothecated & in any case could be as little as £20 or even £0 depending on which car the OP is driving.

nigelbb

Guys_Dad wrote: »

However, do understand that there is a
EU Cross Border Enforcement Directive

and should you transgress in any of the following ways, you parents will be chased in their own country re your driving

• Speeding;
• Not using a seatbelt;
• Not stopping at a red traffic light or other mandatory stop signal;
• Drink driving;
• Driving under the influence of drugs;
• Not wearing a safety helmet (for motorcyclists);
• Using a forbidden lane (such as the forbidden use of an emergency lane, a lane reserved for public transport, or a lane closed down for road works);
• Illegally using a mobile phone, or any other communications device, while driving.

That would be the EU Cross Border Enforcement Directive that the UK isn't implementing until May 2017. So the OP's parents can sleep easy until then:-)

pappa_golf

and they could be hired by a french company , and paid in france whilst driving a group M car which would attract £540 VED per year

but what the hell , let the scam continue

I just pray I am not involved in a road accident with a person who has thrown 2 fingers to the wind regarding VED and insurance