Unhappy with Plastering after Electrics

Furts

Risteard wrote: »

No it isn't. In England it is widely used.

HERE IT IS NEVER USED AND IS NOT AVAILABLE FROM WHOLESALERS. HERE 20MM PVC CONDUIT IS ALWAYS USED. THAT IS A FACT.

It is also a fact that actually no protection need be used for PVC/PVC cables which can legitimately be buried directly in the wall without being covered.

You are a gasman - you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about so should cease and desist immediately.

I have no desire to come between a sparky and a plumber. Hopefully I will not get reprimanded for any incorrect terminology here.

I have used bold on the above sentence to put a pragmatic slant on matters - basically a building perspective. The white plastic protection should be used because it covers and protects the cables from the plasterer's float when the wall is being plastered. Put another way, no competent builder, nor plasterer, would consider dangling cables a suitable surface on which to plaster.

Risteard

Furts wrote: »

The white plastic protection should be used because it covers and protects the cables from the plasterer's float when the wall is being plastered. Put another way, no competent builder, nor plasterer, would consider dangling cables a suitable surface on which to plaster.

They wouldn't be dangling - they would still be secured to the wall.

I certainly wouldn't consider it great practice generally to just directly bury PVC/PVC cables - my point was that it is completely and entirely permissible. I was also pointing out that capping is only really used in England. Despite what the gas plumber seems to think I can go into any wholesalers here (including the big names) and none of them would have it (capping) in stock. Many wouldn't even know what it is, despite the fact that their English branches sell huge quantities of it. It has never been the way it's been done here. (Oval conduit is also never used here.)

shaun_from_Africa

Risteard wrote: »

No it isn't. In England it is widely used.

HERE IT IS NEVER USED AND IS NOT AVAILABLE FROM WHOLESALERS. HERE 20MM PVC CONDUIT IS ALWAYS USED. THAT IS A FACT.

And here (in Trinidad) neither conduit or capping are used very often as it's fairly common to see wiring simply running down the outside of the walls.
Is that of any use to the OP?
No.

Before continually posting about what is and what isn't acceptable practice in NI, wouldn't it make sense to find out where the OP and the posters that you are responding to actually live?

Risteard

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

Before continually posting about what is and what isn't acceptable practice in NI, wouldn't it make sense to find out where the OP and the posters that you are responding to actually live?

What is acceptable is the same as both jurisdictions have electrical installations to BS7671. So to claim that something must be done a certain way when that isn't so (or even universal practice) is wrong on the part of the gas plumber.

For this precise reason I never mentioned what happens in the south of Ireland as installations there are to ETCI National Wiring Rules - ET101. I only mentioned BS7671 installations.

To say capping must be used is complete and utter rubbish which is always indicative of someone who doesn't actually know what they are talking about.

Furts

Risteard wrote: »

They wouldn't be dangling - they would still be secured to the wall.

I certainly wouldn't consider it great practice generally to just directly bury PVC/PVC cables - my point was that it is completely and entirely permissible. I was also pointing out that capping is only really used in England. Despite what the gas plumber seems to think I can go into any wholesalers here (including the big names) and none of them would have it (capping) in stock. Many wouldn't even know what it is, despite the fact that their English branches sell huge quantities of it. It has never been the way it's been done here. (Oval conduit is also never used here.)

Many homes have the cables surface mounted on the walls, then the pvc channel is nailed over to provide protection from the plasterer. This means a quick wiring job because no chasing is required. Of course, the plasterer has to ensure the pvc channel gets covered sufficiently.

This has not happened in OP's situation so perhaps here the cables are surface mounted and not chased in? Judging by the standard of work with the socket fixing this is a likelihood.

ceredigion

Plasterer here. With regard to the plastic stuff (what ever you want to call it). I hate the sodding stuff it is to shiny and if it is mounted in to a chase there is nothing to stick to on either side . Also , its got some flexibility to it so if its only just under the surface any rough behaviour will crack the plaster on top of it. If the spark is no longer on site and has left me in a situation where I'm not happy with his sheaving , I will rip it off and set directly onto the cable from wall behind.
Note, not defending the plasterer who did this work , its not good enough , however I don't think the electrics are that good either judging by the box that's been cut out .

southcoastrgi

TBH I'm not sure why you even felt the need to pull me up, I don't care what is used in Ireland & neither does the OP because they are in the West Midlands & as you have pointed out on one of your many back tracks it sells in the container load over HERE & as for your point about no protection whatsoever is needed before it's plastered well I think most would agree they wouldn't let you do their electrics

Blackpool_Saver

Don't pay them, they are cowboys and they are taking the pee, shocking workmanship

Risteard

southcoastrgi wrote: »

TBH I'm not sure why you even felt the need to pull me up, I don't care what is used in Ireland & neither does the OP because they are in the West Midlands & as you have pointed out on one of your many back tracks it sells in the container load over HERE & as for your point about no protection whatsoever is needed before it's plastered well I think most would agree they wouldn't let you do their electrics

I never backtracked. The point is it is not required as you pretend.

I wouldn't let you near my gas installation if I had one because you are frankly a tube.

baldelectrician

I don't use capping - never bought the stuff and never will


I ensure the cables are deep enough to be out of the road of a plaster trowel.


I sometimes put conduit in if I am running data / coax and I may thing the client will 'add' things afterwards.


I have had NICEIC and SELECT inspectors out to jobs where there has been no capping and there were no comments.