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New goverment car tax rules from April 2017. Your thoughts?
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There are currently a wide range of cars that are zero VED, all the way up to and including 330bhp 3.0 v6 petrol Mercedes S-classes and 375bhp 3.0 v6 Porsche Cayennes. Even if you ignore hybrids, how about a shiny new Jaguar XE or Volvo S60? Don't want diesel? Then how about a petrol Focus, Golf or Cactus?
If you look at just the first year being zero VED, then the list of cars widens massively. Everything under 130g/km is zero VED for the first year - and the average new car sold in the UK in 2015 is well within that - 121g...
Now darkmatter has one of them, having started this thread I'm sure he'll have an opinion on his Volvo.0 -
Seems mad to me that "zero emissions" vehicles will pay no VED.
You can use a fashionable electric car, charging it it home using electricity from a power station that burns coal or gas, imported from thousands of miles away. How is that zero emissions?
And if people to switch to electric cars in large numbers, where is the government going to raise the money lost through zero VED?
In 2008/9 it was diesel, now it's electric...... The sales of new cars pays billions in VAT every year and the govt wants to keep it that way. Electric vehicles will become the enemy at some point, just as diesels have done and then it'll be something else you have to buy to get free VED.“I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an a** of yourself.”
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My thoughts are:
1. Government has an 'n' in it.
2. Oh dear, is this bloke still here?
3. Couldn't care less, I wouldn't spend 40 grand on a car.0 -
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BeenThroughItAll wrote: »My thoughts are:
1. Government has an 'n' in it.
2. Oh dear, is this bloke still here?
3. Couldn't care less, I wouldn't spend 40 grand on a car.
Theres bigger implications than just if you buy a car new, if you buy a car up to 5 years old, that originally cost more than £40K, then you're paying the high rate tax too.0 -
Seems mad to me that "zero emissions" vehicles will pay no VED.
You can use a fashionable electric car, charging it it home using electricity from a power station that burns coal or gas, imported from thousands of miles away. How is that zero emissions?
Do you think petrol comes out of the ground ready to go straight into your car and gets piped to the station? Are you aware of renewable / nuclear which are greenhouse gas free?
Sorry to be facetious but this argument against electric cars is completely moot.
An electric car requires electricity from power plants yes but beyond that there are no emissions, it can be totally emission free with renewable energy or nuclear.
A fuel car requires electricity to process the oil, it requires burning fuel for the tanker to ship the oil, it requires burning fuel for the fuel tanker to drive it to the station and then burning the fuel to get around in your car.Sam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness:
People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.
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Do you think petrol comes out of the ground ready to go straight into your car and gets piped to the station? Are you aware of renewable / nuclear which are greenhouse gas free?
Sorry to be facetious but this argument against electric cars is completely moot.
An electric car requires electricity from power plants yes but beyond that there are no emissions, it can be totally emission free with renewable energy or nuclear.
A fuel car requires electricity to process the oil, it requires burning fuel for the tanker to ship the oil, it requires burning fuel for the fuel tanker to drive it to the station and then burning the fuel to get around in your car.
I dont think he was saying that fossil fuel cars were zero emissions, merely pointing out that just because there arent any poisonous gases coming out of the back of an electric car it doesnt make them "zero emissions". You're just moving the emissions to some dirty old fossil fuel power station somewhere.0 -
So pixies deliver the carbon fuels to power stations ?Do you think petrol comes out of the ground ready to go straight into your car and gets piped to the station? Are you aware of renewable / nuclear which are greenhouse gas free?
Sorry to be facetious but this argument against electric cars is completely moot.
An electric car requires electricity from power plants yes but beyond that there are no emissions, it can be totally emission free with renewable energy or nuclear. What percentage of current electricity generation comes from those sources ?
A fuel car requires electricity to process the oil, it requires burning fuel for the tanker to ship the oil, it requires burning fuel for the fuel tanker to drive it to the station and then burning the fuel to get around in your car.
I don't think anyone is saying electric cars are not green but they are not as green as the pro lobby would have us think. I reckon they average somewhere around 120g/Km from pure CO2/Kwh generating figures without taking transmission losses and fuel transportation into consideration. What about the green status of battery manufacture ?
It would be nice if there was a CO2 cost figure to get a car to the point of sale but those in authority do not want us to know real facts, just their edited versions.0 -
So pixies deliver the carbon fuels to power stations ?
I don't think anyone is saying electric cars are not green but they are not as green as the pro lobby would have us think. I reckon they average somewhere around 120g/Km from pure CO2/Kwh generating figures without taking transmission losses and fuel transportation into consideration. What about the green status of battery manufacture ?
It would be nice if there was a CO2 cost figure to get a car to the point of sale but those in authority do not want us to know real facts, just their edited versions.
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And probably the worst thing you can do if you're being "eco friendly" is buy a brand new car. Far more environmentally friendly to buy a used one.0
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