Vaping - e-cigarettes

Maven21

I work in the vaping industry and have yet to see any convincing study that's it's actually unhealthy. That being said, it's a relatively new industry and there are no long term studies available. So that fact, combined with the fact that's it's just common courtesy to make sure you are not doing something that may offend someone makes it inappropriate in my opinion.

LadyDee

As someone who is now paying the price for formerly being a cigarette smoker, having started when it was "cool" to smoke and the majority of people didn't think it was particularly harmful, it concerns me that young people are being encouraged to vape, as there is insufficient evidence that it is harmful. It stinks, it looks ridiculous (not cool) and supplying convincing evidence that it is harmful could be a long time coming. That's what happened with cigarettes.

norainbows

A few years later and we realise vaping is not the safer option it's made out to be.

https://www.gcsucolonnade.com/single-post/2018/03/07/Research-suggests-vaping-as-harmful-as-smoking-cigarettes

https://www.vogue.com/article/vaping-health-risks-e-cigarettes-teenagers-addiction-toxic-metal-heat-lungs-heart-attack-juul

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/opinion/joe-nocera-is-vaping-worse-than-smoking.html

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jan/29/vaping-may-raise-cancer-and-heart-disease-risk-study-suggests

Nasqueron

LadyDee wrote: »

As someone who is now paying the price for formerly being a cigarette smoker, having started when it was "cool" to smoke and the majority of people didn't think it was particularly harmful, it concerns me that young people are being encouraged to vape, as there is insufficient evidence that it is harmful. It stinks, it looks ridiculous (not cool) and supplying convincing evidence that it is harmful could be a long time coming. That's what happened with cigarettes.

Always the problem with going on opinions of people not science. It's been known since at least the 1930s that cancer is directly linked to smoking and the many harmful effects of smoking in general. I'd be amazed if you started smoking even in the 1950s and didn't know the harm let alone starting later than that - even the adverts where doctors were either being paid by big tobacco to pretend it was healthy or at least associate brands with better health (which started in the late 1920s) was stopping by that time - by 1953 after a landmark research publication showing smoking was all kinds of nasty, people were becoming much more aware of all the research saying smoking was bad and by 1954 the cigarette firms were no longer advertising their products as healthy

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470496/

somethingcorporate

norainbows wrote: »

A few years later and we realise vaping is not the safer option it's made out to be.

https://www.gcsucolonnade.com/single-post/2018/03/07/Research-suggests-vaping-as-harmful-as-smoking-cigarettes

https://www.vogue.com/article/vaping-health-risks-e-cigarettes-teenagers-addiction-toxic-metal-heat-lungs-heart-attack-juul

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/opinion/joe-nocera-is-vaping-worse-than-smoking.html

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jan/29/vaping-may-raise-cancer-and-heart-disease-risk-study-suggests

None of those suggest it's as dangerous as smoking. The only one that talks about it being as dangerous is discrediting an interprestation of a study done that suggests at high voltages formaldehyde may be produced (but people do not vape at these voltages).


It's probably not "safe" but nothing is. Is it safer than smoking? Yes.

annandale

Id have no issue if someone vaped in my house without asking me if it was ok to do so. I hardly think that someone vaping for a few minutes would cause any sort of damage to the other persons health.

People used to be able to smoke on buses and in pubs. I think many people who are old enough to be able to remember people being able to smoke on buses and in pubs will have breathed in more secondary smoke than someone lighting up a vape for a few minutes to be honest

LadyDee

Nasqueron wrote: »

Always the problem with going on opinions of people not science. It's been known since at least the 1930s that cancer is directly linked to smoking and the many harmful effects of smoking in general. I'd be amazed if you started smoking even in the 1950s and didn't know the harm let alone starting later than that - even the adverts where doctors were either being paid by big tobacco to pretend it was healthy or at least associate brands with better health (which started in the late 1920s) was stopping by that time - by 1953 after a landmark research publication showing smoking was all kinds of nasty, people were becoming much more aware of all the research saying smoking was bad and by 1954 the cigarette firms were no longer advertising their products as healthy

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470496/

You've obviously forgotten what it's like to be a teenager, who is never going to be affected by illness, sickness - even less dying. We didn't listen to our parents' scare stories or read scientific journals, we partied, had fun, wore stupid clothes, did stupid things and were going to live for ever. By the time we grew up and got sensible, and realised all these nasty things were waiting to catch up with us we were hooked.

norainbows

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

I am firmly in the school of thought that there will be a genetic element to peoples respective health - BUT we can all do our best to look after our health and will improve our "lot" in that respect, compared to the level of health we would have if we didn't do so.

That's based on coming from a VERY unhealthy family with a lot of inherited type illness (as well as some self-induced illness/work-related illness).

Anyways...friend concerned came round again and went to "light up" vaping again and was politely asked not to do so in my own home because of the element of "passive smoking". They disputed that vaping would cause bystanders to "passively smoke" - but have accepted it is my home, therefore my rules.

And so it should be. Your house, your health, your rules. The only person responsible for your health and the consequences of those decisions is you.

I would never let anyone Vape in my house, or wear shoes in my house, that's my choice for my reasons based on my research. However I don't pass judgement on those who chose what I don't agree with. I has nothing to do with me as long as isn't forced on me in my own space.

Cigarettes were once deemed healthy, so much so Dr's were used to promote them. There was no evidence to prove the damage that it would cause in generations to come (too late); the same with vaping. Vaping is new, exciting and fun, with it's tempting flavours designed to get you hooked with the sweet names and lovely smells but time will tell. By then the addiction will be well and truly established and empires built on the proceeds. I do wonder how long it will take for a non-biased study to be done which is not backed by someone with a vested interest in a positive outcome....

Breathing anything into your lungs which shouldn't be there is a bad idea, no one will ever be able to convince me otherwise.

annandale

This thread is in the wrong board. What has this got to do with sport and fitness money saving.

phryne

The thread was started back in 2016 and got dug up a few days ago (necroposting?) by the forum user in post #22

I would have thought if anyone was going to move it to another board they would have done so by now.