UK government suffers Brexit court blow

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Do you not see it also as dangerous to see far-right political groups gain power because these people were ignored by the minority and the establishment?

How well do you think ignoring these people is going to pan out?

Liberal Democracy was invented precisely so that these people are ignored.

movilogo

The govt. handout before the referendum did mention govt. would implement whatever public wanted. Cameron gambled assuming IN would win. Now the genie is OUT of the bottle and can't be put back.

Without arguing whether Brexit is good or bad, it has proven parliamentary democracy is out of touch with public.

Based on 52:48 referendum outcome, if MPs represent common public then their own preference should have been in the range of 50:50 but in reality it is 75:25 in favour of IN

(source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35616946)

Which means MPs views are seriously out of sync with common public. That is the fundamental problem why people lost faith on representative parliamentary democracy.

I could not find any ratio for House of Lords but various newspapers say they are even more skewed towards pro-EU.

Naturally public (especially OUT group) are frustrated at this court ruling.

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

Tell you what, I`ll see you in Parliament Square some time next year when they attempt to subvert the will of the people, as they will.
Perhaps you and yer mates would like to refer to me as tard, xenophobe, racist or right wing nut-job to my face. I personally don't think you've got the a**e.:rotfl::rotfl:

Calm down and take a deep breath.
You may find some comfort and guidance in the well known Kübler Ross model.

The principles behind this model also apply to situations where people are coping with the trauma brought on by change in general, for example being made redundant, or change in the workplace, or maybe by a shock Brexit result!

http://www.catalystconsulting.co.uk/brexit-challenge-accepting-change/

You're obviously somewhere around stage 1. I sincerely hope you can find the courage and wisdom to move quickly on towards acceptance and integration. All the best.

movilogo

So as per the graph, the remoaners are now in step 5. Experiement using which back door they can block Brexit.

Hope they would soon reach step 7 - accepting a democractic result

BarleyGB

DiggerUK wrote: »

The shock and awe at todays court decision, might just ground people long enough, and allow them to realise the referendum was a pretty meaningless exercise.

It is going to appeal. This should allow time for you to figure out how a parliamentary democracy operates.

The UK citizen doesn't have power to enact or disable laws. In the U.K., only the legislative assembly has that power.

My advice is for you all to shut up, pick up anything you can find on UK constitutional history, and study..._

We will get brexit, aside from London & Scotland (UK, England and Wales at least) voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU, most MPs already recognise they are elected to represent their constituents. If the house of commons block it, a lot of MPs will be voted out at the next election and a proper Brexit government installed.

westernpromise

Moto2 wrote: »

She has her top people working on it night and day

Romani ite domum

It's ad domum, actually. Motion towards takes the accusative case.

Conrad

I posted this elsewhere, can a remainer answer it if possible?


Lisa Nandy on QT kept saying 'MP's must have a say on the shape of Brexit'.


So lets imagine how the question of the SM would be debated and surely indefinitely stalled;


1) Access to the Single Market - THE GOVT > 'The Govt believes we can obtain tariff and barrier free trade, given the fact French and German workers will not tolerate having their jobs put at risk by trade being hampered, let alone all the economic uncertainty a trade war would introduce' 'Article 8 more or less requires an amicable practical settlement that works in the interests of trade'


REMAINERS > 'we believe this to be a fantasy, we will be punished hard by Brussels, and German and French workers will pay the price, as will we, therefore we must accede sovereignty or lose trade'


How on earth would this ever be resolved?

Rotor

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

This will now end up in parliament - high court was definitive and appeal unlikely to succeed

Parliament won't block brexit - but they'll scrutinise, slow down, and supervise Brexit and put clear limits in place to the range of outcomes parliament will accept - so a chaotic, destructive, hard brexit now looks much less likely.

Won't pan out like this though Hamish.

If May wins in supreme court - no change
If she loses she'll put a vote to the commons along the same lines as now - "this house supports the will of the people in the referendum to leave eu and the govt. to reach the beat deal for the UK" leaving it broad and with plenty of wiggle room.

In all likelyhood this will pass judging by the MP's I've heard, even those for remain ( see Question time last night for eg).

If it IS blocked then she'll call a snap election, put it in the manifesto (as will Labour as Corbyn has stated he'll respect the referendum) and then challenge her MPs to defy the peoples wishes, a manifesto pledge and a 3 line whip. A few might - not many

movilogo

This is what govt. wrote in tax payer funded leaflet prior to referendum.

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If link does not work, copy-paste (remove the space which might be copied due to new line)

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Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Destructive, lol, trading with Europe like the Americans do. I use several American services and quite a lot of thier products, no problem. Trust the hystericals to want to run to the hills in ignorance.

But you've said in another post that you've never done any trade with the US.

Or are you assuming that because you can buy goods from a US owned company, that trade will be seamless and as good as EU trade currently is?