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PCM Ticket whilst parked outside a friends house visiting, do i pay?

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  • Fruitcake
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    Your dropbox link from post 184 isn't working for me. Perhaps it has timed out.

    I think you will need to show your actual loss of earnings/holiday pay with payslips/letter from your employer showing hourly pay rate and that you are not salaried staff, not just an amount.

    I think the small claims court costs are capped at £90 or £95 so can't claim more than that (not £111) for ordinary costs, but can claim more costs for unreasonable behaviour.
    You can't of course make a profit unless you go for a counterclaim and DPA breach.
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  • infernouk
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    Fruitcake wrote: »
    Your dropbox link from post 184 isn't working for me. Perhaps it has timed out.

    I think you will need to show your actual loss of earnings/holiday pay with payslips/letter from your employer showing hourly pay rate and that you are not salaried staff, not just an amount.

    I think the small claims court costs are capped at £90 or £95 so can't claim more than that (not £111) for ordinary costs, but can claim more costs for unreasonable behaviour.
    You can't of course make a profit unless you go for a counterclaim and DPA breach.

    the link is in post 189 sorry, the older documents are removed.

    I am salaried staff, why does that mean my time isnt worth money? I probably need to alter my document in the aforementioned post then if what you say is the case. Mine was just created around what i saw in another thread on here which had much higher costs
  • Umkomaas
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    infernouk wrote: »
    the schedule was from an example, my query was related to maximum ammount

    Loss of earnings/annual leave, £95 max (but you've got to have an agreeable judge). Many have gone away with zilch. Take pay slips to prove earnings.

    You'll likely get your parking costs for a car park near the court (irony!). Travel costs @ 45p per mile (or public transport at cost) - possibly. Litigant in person rate of £19ph. But don't be greedy. I've not seen many get much more than a couple of hours.

    As you might tell, none of this is an automatic entitlement. All down to the judge (and maybe which side of bed he/she got out of bed).
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • infernouk
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    Umkomaas wrote: »
    Loss of earnings/annual leave, £95 max (but you've got to have an agreeable judge). Many have gone away with zilch. Take pay slips to prove earnings.

    You'll likely get your parking costs for a car park near the court (irony!). Travel costs @ 45p per mile (or public transport at cost) - possibly. Litigant in person rate of £19ph. But don't be greedy. I've not seen many get much more than a couple of hours.

    As you might tell, none of this is an automatic entitlement. All down to the judge (and maybe which side of bed he/she got out of bed).

    thanks for the feedback, ill lower the additional charge, but to be fair ive lost an insane number of hours to this, in retrospect id have paid the £60 charge if id known what lied ahead! so im going o push my luck a little, ill take pay slips as that is realistic to my lost earnings in attending
  • Umkomaas
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    so im going o push my luck a little
    In general terms, that won't do your actual case any harm, so go for it (but don't go for daft amounts - it's not America. :)).
    in retrospect id have paid the £60 charge if id known what lied ahead!
    Hopefully you'll feel different after beating an organisation who is trying anything and everything to drag your money from your pocket.
    to be fair ive lost an insane number of hours to this
    Try my divorce-inducing hours for a week on here. :rotfl:
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

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  • infernouk
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    Umkomaas wrote: »
    In general terms, that won't do your actual case any harm, so go for it (but don't go for daft amounts - it's not America. :)).


    Hopefully you'll feel different after beating an organisation who is trying anything and everything to drag your money from your pocket.


    Try my divorce-inducing hours for a week on here. :rotfl:

    Thanks for your guidance, ive reduced my costs down to 2 hours litigant and kept the rest and will provide a pay slip as proof too, i think its more than fair!

    I have finished a draft of my skeleton, though i assume you aren't too familiar with my case (perhaps thats good as a testament to the skeleton quality if its readable) I just want a few eyes on this before I print it and send it in with the costs, i think its pretty good, its a hybrid of a few examples with my own tailoring to match my statement and defence generally.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/7j8mp886ibsai01/Skeleton%20Argument%20RD.docx?dl=0

    gladstones witness statement can be found here for contrast to see the route they are taking against me:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/pn88e422x31h6p5/Bundle%20the%20approved%2C%20signed%20statement%20with%20the%20exhibits.pdf?dl=0
  • Molts
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    IMHO the landowner authority is a joke. Notwithstanding the fact that it is 13 years old with no evidence of it's duration (I've seen this as a winning POPLA appeal point) therefore no indication of its current validity, it also obliges the PPC to abide by the BPA CoP when PCM are clearly members of the IPC.

    I'm no expert but this renders it null and void surely?

    I wonder if "Anne Wicklow" is available to attend court? :rotfl:
  • IMHO the landowner authority is a joke. Notwithstanding the fact that it is 13 years old with no evidence of it's duration

    Is there a managing agent? Presumably not still Bovis Homes? I'm guessing that was only soon after the properties were built. If that is right, I'd go with proof of the new management and say that PCM have no authority (at all) even if a permit was required.
  • £60 😠😠 omg !
  • System
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    The landowner authority is your key. It talks about an AOS that only came into existence in 2012 after the Protection of Freedoms Act.

    There would need to be some trail of evidence of the real agreement rather than this false one. Did Anne Wicklow sign in in 2004 or sometime after 2012. Does she exist?
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