Has anyone changed their mind about Brexit?

kabayiri

chucknorris wrote: »

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2. I believe people should have freedom to seek a better life, including and specifically immigrants coming to the UK. I can't remember doing anything special to earn the right to be born in the UK, as far as I can see it was pure luck.
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It's clearly luck of the draw I would agree.

But it sounds like you are suggesting an universal principle.

There are at least 3 billion people living on what we would describe as absolute poverty incomes.

If just 10% of these were to move to Europe following your principle, then you realise that the European standard of living is well and truly stuffed?

I'm not sure how sustainable this would be, even if the morality is right.

globalds

I voted to leave and if anything I am more convinced it was the only choice for the long term interests of this country.

I don't see how my movements will become any more restricted if I have the wherewithal to support myself or the skills required to add value to any place that I wish to move to and also that requires my services.
It does stop me from walking to a place and relying on their good will.


After continually watching news reports the most recent being the destruction of the Jungle in Calais It is still plainly obvious the majority are not families from war-torn Syria .But individuals predominantly young males who have made a choice to better their lifestyle.

If the demographics of countries like:
Pakistan (1970 58 million - 2016 194 million)
Nigeria (1970 56 million - 2016 186 million )
Egypt (1970 34 million - 2016 93 million)
Don't change the trend ,which I see no way they will ..Then Europe will be flooded year after year ..

If Europe will not recognize that this is not a one-off response to people escaping war ..But a world that has regional growth that the people of Europe and UK have no concept of the scale it is happening is headed for a nightmare scenarion..Free movement of peoples in a region fairly balanced is healthy ..Opening the floodgates is definitely not


Try clicking on a few countries here
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/

Look at the trends and how quickly some populations are rising.


This sounds like a racist rant .It isn't .It is a common sense view of a changing world.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

globalds wrote: »

This sounds like a racist rant .

It sure does.

Best leave it at that....

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

I'm not sure how sustainable this would be, even if the morality is right.

Humanity has migrated across the face of this planet for hundreds of of thousands of years - it's what we do when faced with a planet that is ever changing.

Humanity evolves, humanity moves around the planet in search of conditions best suited to progress and prosperity, and humanity thrives precisely because of those attributes.

So to try and pick a random point in time - a mere blink of an eye in evolutionary terms - and to pretend that these cultures, and these borders, and these nation states, are now forever set in stone and can never change is frankly absurd.

ess0two

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

It sure does.

Best leave it at that....

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Not really, reads perfectly acceptable.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Humanity has migrated across the face of this planet for hundreds of of thousands of years - it's what we do when faced with a planet that is ever changing.

Humanity evolves, humanity moves around the planet in search of conditions best suited to progress and prosperity, and humanity thrives precisely because of those attributes.

So to try and pick a random point in time - a mere blink of an eye in evolutionary terms - and to pretend that these cultures, and these borders, and these nation states, are now forever set in stone and can never change is frankly absurd.

of course most of those violent murderous invasions involved killing, raping, enslaving those previously occupying the areas concerned.

is that what you are championing?

do you choose to be a winner or a loser?

why not pop out for a friendly chap about culture, nation state, borders etc to ISIL.

globalds

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Humanity has migrated across the face of this planet for hundreds of of thousands of years - it's what we do when faced with a planet that is ever changing.

Humanity evolves, humanity moves around the planet in search of conditions best suited to progress and prosperity, and humanity thrives precisely because of those attributes.

So to try and pick a random point in time - a mere blink of an eye in evolutionary terms - and to pretend that these cultures, and these borders, and these nation states, are now forever set in stone and can never change is frankly absurd.

That ..Does that look like something that has pleasantly been going on for centuries ?..A process of steady and repeated anything ?

Or a massive and uncontrolled leap ..What is worse is that graph spreads it evenly ..It most definitely is not and some countries if they do not make a strategy pretty soon are going to be faced with some real problems on keeping a dissatisfied population from either pushing out for pastures new or causing such a catastrophe within their own land that there will be another wave of humanity makes a break for it.

This is not even comparable to the second world war as populations are growing at such a stupendous rate ..Oh and just a footnote ,,The region that most of this growth will come from . Africa ..A region that for any method of measure already has the most countries that are failed states.

You and your random points of time ..Lets talk about now and the reality that The European model and especially the new found ability of states to send their problems across an unchecked border ..No matter how noble in thought, is a huge liability in the world we live in today.

Herzlos

globalds wrote: »

But individuals predominantly young males who have made a choice to better their lifestyle.

It says a lot about their old lifestyle if these young males would rather walk across Europe and spend years living in a squalid slum than stay at home.

Hedgehog99

Governments stick their noses into almost every aspect of people's lives and yet when they suggest couples limit their family size, they are portrayed as ogres.

It's the only way to go.

If we do not voluntarily limit our numbers, nature or war will do it for us.

I know which I would choose.

More resources per person, with less pressure on the planet.

Carl31

I've always thought the EU was an unworkable idea, ever since I have had any political or financial understanding. Never quite understood how anyone would think trying to run different economies as a single one would work. The referendum finally gave me the chance to try and do something about it