Has anyone changed their mind about Brexit?

mrginge

tara747 wrote: »

To the Brexiters who tell us Remainers to "be positive about Brexit" and "accept the will of the people", I say: for 41 years, they refused to be positive about the EU and never accepted the result of the 1975 referendum, a far more emphatic majority than the 52% delivered in June.

Yes well thanks for that.

tara747

mrginge wrote: »

Yes well thanks for that.

You're welcome

TrickyTree83

tara747 wrote: »

To the Brexiters who tell us Remainers to "be positive about Brexit" and "accept the will of the people", I say: for 41 years, they refused to be positive about the EU and never accepted the result of the 1975 referendum, a far more emphatic majority than the 52% delivered in June.

Even if we weren't alive/of voting age?

:rotfl:

A_Medium_Size_Jock

tara747 wrote: »

To the Brexiters who tell us Remainers to "be positive about Brexit" and "accept the will of the people", I say: for 41 years, they refused to be positive about the EU and never accepted the result of the 1975 referendum, a far more emphatic majority than the 52% delivered in June.

To begin with, show us where over the last 41 years there has been such vocal opposition and such disregard for democracy as you see with some Remainers currently?

Also, are you honestly surprised that so many Brits could not be positive regarding the EU?

The EU has attempted (and succeeded on many levels) to remove our individuality as a nation by stealth.
Do you not recall then the public outcries at so many of these EU interventions intended to "standardise" the UK and turn us into just another part of the EU, subservient to their faceless bureaucracy?

The change from buying petrol in gallons to litres; from a pound of apples to half a kilo; a quarter of sweeties into 100 grammes?
The application of VAT to gas and electricity, and women's sanitary products for example.

Or how about EU protectionism which has helped (if not actually caused) the decimation of much of what was once major traditional British industry?
Shipbuilding or the steel industry as examples, yet we see the EU "major players" retain their their manufacturing.

How about an apparent loss of sovereignty by being subservient to the European Court Of Justice?
Seeing criminals and activists delay deportation by years at a cost to the UK of millions of pounds because of this subservience is just one example of why some people cannot be positive about the EU.

No, there is much of the EU which it is very difficult to be positive about in the eyes of many.
I mention above just a small selection.
Hence the Brexit result.

westernpromise

I didn't actually vote in the EU referendum because I thought both sides' arguments were so poor as to be unworthy of support.

Since the vote, however, and having observed the antics of the Remainers, I have concluded that I don't want to have anything in common with them and I would now vote Leave.

I am particularly offended by Remainer claims that the vote has divided the country (eg, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/28/divided-britain-young-people-undivided-campaign-brexit; https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/04/theresa-may-brexit-britain-new-deal-divided-country; http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/how-to-heal-a-country-divided-by-brexit-a7110851.html; http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21701257-results-paint-picture-angry-country-divided-class-age-and-region-country-divided).

What they presumably mean by this is that a 52:48 Leave / Remain vote has divided the country, but a 48:52 vote would not have divided the country. Everything then would have been just tickety-boo.

The only difference between the two cases is that in the actual case we are in, Remainers didn't get their way, whereas in their preferred but psephologically identical case, they would have done, and would then have not considered the country to be divided.

The only way I can parse this is to take it as meaning that they consider themselves so fvcking important that it's a national disaster if they don't get their way, but of no consequence whatsoever if the little people don't get theirs, because the ghastly little oiks are just wrong. This is why they feel entitled to prevent Brexit through the courts, for example. If so, they categorically deserved to lose, it was necessary and right that they lose, and if voting now, I would vote Leave to help make sure of this.

nkomp18

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

The change from buying petrol in gallons to litres; from a pound of apples to half a kilo; a quarter of sweeties into 100 grammes?
The application of VAT to gas and electricity, and women's sanitary products for example.

This bit is total rubbish. UK is officially a metric country and you can read more about the metrication of UK here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_the_United_Kingdom
It started long before the EU and the plan is totally phase out Imperial system (to align ourselves with 99% of the planet earth)

Put some focus on the part of article that says a lot of uneducated extreme Eurosceptic part of the population wrote false accusations against the EU regarding that. And I quote

"The involvement of the European Commission led metrication to be linked in public debate with Euroscepticism, and traditionally Eurosceptic parts of the British press often exaggerating or inventing the extent of enforced metrication.[114] Example stories include the Daily Star, which on 17 January 2001 claimed that beer would soon have to be sold by the litre in pubs, something not demanded in any EU directive.[114]"

Frankly I can't wait for the Imperial system to die. It's beyond rubbish and makes no sense at all. I actively refuse to learn it. Luckily most schools nowadays are only teaching metric.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

nkomp18 wrote: »

This bit is total rubbish. UK is officially a metric country and you can read more about the metrication of UK here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_the_United_Kingdom
It started long before the EU and the plan is totally phase out Imperial system (to align ourselves with 99% of the planet earth)

Put some focus on the part of article that says a lot of uneducated extreme Eurosceptic part of the population wrote false accusations against the EU regarding that. And I quote

"The involvement of the European Commission led metrication to be linked in public debate with Euroscepticism, and traditionally Eurosceptic parts of the British press often exaggerating or inventing the extent of enforced metrication.[114] Example stories include the Daily Star, which on 17 January 2001 claimed that beer would soon have to be sold by the litre in pubs, something not demanded in any EU directive.[114]"

Frankly I can't wait for the Imperial system to die. It's beyond rubbish and makes no sense at all. I actively refuse to learn it. Luckily most schools nowadays are only teaching metric.

No I'm sorry but here it's you writing utter rubbish.
You want to buy a half-litre of beer then?
Travel purely in kilometres rather than miles?
Fortunately, it appears that many do not agree with your POV.

From your own Wikipedia link.

The treaty of accession to the European Economic Community (EEC), which the United Kingdom joined in 1973, obliged the United Kingdom to incorporate into domestic law all EEC directives, including the use of a prescribed SI-based set of units for many purposes within five years. By 1980 most pre-packaged goods were sold using the prescribed units. Mandatory use of prescribed units for retail sales took effect in 1995 for packaged goods and in 2000 for goods sold loose by weight. The use of "supplementary indications" or alternative units (generally the traditional imperial units formerly used) was originally to have been permitted for only a limited period. However, that period had to be extended a number of times due to public resistance, until in 2009 the requirement to ultimately cease use of traditional units alongside metric units was finally removed.

Also please tell us all what units the USA uses?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units

Then there is this:

Resistance to metrication, particularly in the UK and the US, has been connected to the perceived cost involved, a sense of patriotism and lack of desire to conform internationally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_system#Usage_around_the_world

Who knows, post-Brexit we may even see increasing readoption of our traditional units since many were unwanted in the first place.
Roll on the day when we can both see prices for and then buy a pound of steak and a pint of milk again say I.

Herzlos

None of that contrasts with his statement that the metrication has nothing to do with the EU.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Who knows, post-Brexit we may even see increasing readoption of our traditional units since many were unwanted in the first place.
Roll on the day when we can both see prices for and then buy a pound of steak and a pint of milk again say I.

I really hope not. Imperial units are bloody awful, before you even get into this gallon size discrepancy, and having to do calculations in different lots of 16ths. That's why they are only fully used in Liberia, Burma and the US.

westernpromise

nkomp18 wrote: »

Frankly I can't wait for the Imperial system to die. It's beyond rubbish and makes no sense at all.

But you think in mph, and you know your height and weight in imperial but not in metric. Am I right?

Here's a quick test of that. Would a woman 166cm tall who weighed 69.5kg look overweight?

Now here it is in imperial. Would a 5'5" woman who weighed 11 stone look overweight?

Here's another. Which car is more economical, one that does 34mpg or one that uses 9 litres per 100km?

Imperial measurements are very handy if you haven't a ruler. One joint of your thumb is an inch, your forearm is a foot, and from fingers of outstretched hand to opposite shoulder, archer style, is a yard (hence "clothyard arrow"). A kilo is just two old French pounds and an old French pound is 1.1 English pounds, which is why in the Napoleonic Wars British 9-pounder guns and French 8-pounder guns could fire each other's ammunition. A metre is three French feet which was also 10% bigger than an English one. A Roman mile was 2,000 paces, a Roman pace was 80cm so a mile was 1,600m or 1,760 yards. Etc....

The_Last_Username

Herzlos wrote: »

None of that contrasts with his statement that the metrication has nothing to do with the EU.

Eh?
Oh yes it did.
Did you not read that very clearly linked bit from MSJ explaining that joining the EEC "obliged the United Kingdom to incorporate into domestic law all EEC directives, including the use of a prescribed SI-based set of units for many purposes within five years"?
Is that really not clear enough?