Parking charge NTK

Bluecat115

Hi. Please help. Ticket issued on 29.8.16. We do have a ticket for the day's parking. We did not pay the ticket, but ignored it. Now received a notice to keeper. Dated 11.10.2016 (it's a company car, so it's addressed to work). Please advise what we should do now. We are concerned as we don't want to be in trouble - esp as ref owner is a business! But it's so unfair that we did pay for the parking. Please help! Thanks so much

Fruitcake

Bluecat115 wrote: »

Hi. Please help. Ticket issued on 29.8.16. We do have a ticket for the day's parking. We did not pay the ticket, but ignored it. Now received a notice to keeper. Dated 11.10.2016 (it's a company car, so it's addressed to work). Please advise what we should do now. We are concerned as we don't want to be in trouble - esp as ref owner is a business! But it's so unfair that we did pay for the parking. Please help! Thanks so much

What is the name of the parking company please?

Have you read the Sticky thread for NEWBIES? This is your one stop shop for all private parking ticket problems.

Carthesis

Which PPC? Which car park?

Look at the **NEWBIES** thread.

Check the dates to make sure the NtK has arrived in the correct timeframe. Looks like it might be a bit tight.

Check the NtK for the mandatory wording in accordance with POFA 2012 Schedule 4 Paragraph 9.

Make sure the NtK matches the NtD windscreen ticket for all details, verbatim.

You aren't "in trouble".

Edna_Basher

Please clarify if your employer's company is the car's registered keeper or whether it is leased (in which case an initial Notice to Keeper would have been sent to the lease company with your employer then receiving a follow-up Notice to Hirer).

Also, on the basis that the PCN was first issued as a Notice to Driver and affixed to the car on 29/8/16, the relevant dates for delivery of a compliant Notice to Keeper are set out in Para. 8 of Sched.4 of POFA 2012.

As detailed above, the identity of the parking company and location of the car park will determine the advice that you will be given.


Edit - is this related to your other thread concerning Armtrac at Sennen Cove? If so, you'll need to ask a Mod to merge your threads together so that the information is kept all in one place.

Bluecat115

Hi. It's Armtrac, in Penzance . The car park was at sennen cove

Bluecat115

Hi. Yes the company is the registered keeper. The letter is addressed to them - they own the car. You are correct - it is the same as my sennen post - how do I contact a Mod? Ta for your help

Bluecat115

Ive looked at the newbies thread, but I can't work out what to do next - please help! I checked the paragraph bit - it does say those things, it's in the date range. The only thing that differs is the ticket says time of issue is 1443 - the letter says 1413. It invites us to pay the charge or tell the. Who the driver was. It does ask for an appeal - should we do that now? The letter states the ticket was face down and unreadable the ticket says ticket not clearly displayed. The ticket was originally NOT stuck to the window, but placed under the wiper blade - we didn't even see it until we were about 10 minutes down the road - still have the bag with the cover still on the sticky bit. So we couldn't check for sure whether it was face down or not - but we were sure it was as we are very careful with tickets. I don't want to pay it, but we're really concerned we or the company are going to end up in court. Thanks for any advice

Coupon-mad

No, you do not have to pay this but we need to know:

Is the company YOUR company/small business - i.e. can you write a challenge in the name of the company - plan A - that's the best plan? Edna Basher who replied to you above, is a master of writing appeals from 'A Company' and you can find his recent efforts by clicking on his username.

Or is it a company you work for, in which case you will have to use Plan B and challenge in your own name as the day-to-day 'keeper'.

The company can't be held liable by Armtrac. Do not say who was driving at any point. Do not try to tell the story of what happened.

Search this forum for Armtrac as a keyword and read the many results. You will find that their flimsy tickets flipping over are a cash-cow for them issuing PCNs and I'm sure they make lots of money from clueless victims. But you are here and you are not clueless!


P.S. Keep some Blutack in your glove box like I do. Always secure any P&D ticket. Easy.

Bluecat115

Hi. Tha is for replying - no it's not our company. It's worldwide company - which makes us even more worried! So I guess I need to follow plan b - please could you tell me what that it - I didn't pay it on the first place after reading people who had been caught - no objections if we hadn't bought a ticket - but we had! It seems to matter very much what I put in the letter to them - should I write using our home address or the company? It says in writing to the above company - or do I contact the IPC - I'm a little confused so grateful for any help!

Coupon-mad

Ideally, will someone nice at the company agree to write one letter, naming you and giving your home address as the lessee/keeper of the car?

What's in it for them is, that's called 'transferring liability' and takes them OUT of the equation. They will no longer get any letters and cannot be liable after naming you (but ask them not to say 'driver').

What's in it for you is, you can then wait for your own Notice to be sent to your home address and can then appeal as 'lessee' with grounds to appeal because no parking firm gets that process quite right...we'll explain later, if this is a possibility for you, if a letter will be sent by the company to 'transfer liability'. They would be pretty silly not to.

You were pretty silly (sorry) to ignore a PCN when it's a company car. Think about it! Whether it is Council or private, unless it is a firm which cannot get DVLA data (like UKCPS, currently banned temporarily) then there WILL be a NTK or NTO sent to the company a month or so later, every time! Getting you into hot water each time. Why do that?

So - in future - almost any PCN should be appeals at windscreen PCN stage unless it's a firm banned by the DVLA. You can always come and check on this forum, we know too much!

Bluecat115

Oh dear ! Mucked it up at the first hurdle by not appealing! So, with the letter there was a form asking for the company to declare who the driver's name and address is - should I complete that - but then that gives the name of the driver - which you said not to do - we can do the letter no problem - would that be better? Thanks for help!

I've read your reply again and clearly it's a letter we need to send - should it by on official letterhead? Do I give a name as the keeper or just address? And should I return the letter I've received to them? Thank u!